[nandomrumber]

What nuclear proliferation?

How many nuclear electricity states are there? 30

How many nuclear weapons states are there? 9

What headaches are those nine nuclear capable states providing, exactly?

How has the world been made worse by having nine nuclear capable states? Practically, not just hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.

[mmooss]

> hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.

Preventing nuclear war is just 'hypothetical anxieties'? We should wait for a war to happen and then do something? That's not persuasive.

[natmaka]

Because, for now, those non-nuclear-capable states weren't interested in becoming nuclear-capable. On a standard PWR (the most common type of civilian industrial reactor) cooking military-grade plutonium is easy: charge it, let it start ('diverge') and then run, all as usual, then shut it down early.

[EasyMark]

Right now two of them are ready to go to war, and potentially nuclear war if one starts losing over a relatively small strip of land.

[looofooo0]

Ok, how many are democracies of those 21 without nukes or have or had a defense alliance with a country with nukes?