[makeitdouble]

That Apple ecosystem only isolation is something you had to wish for in the first place, so for you, technically nothing changes.

For instance up until now you probably refused to register to Netflix or any other system that manages payments and subscription outside of Apple, and you can keep doing so.

Same way you probably didn't register PayPal integration that would have shifted part of the cancellation/refunds to PayPal. You of course didn't integrate PayPay either.

Basically you can keep being Apple only, as you always did. From the discovery documents, Apple didn't seem to give a damn about these and only discussed revenue regarding their policies, but you're free to see what you want in Apple's behavior.

[redczar]

Yes. I don’t think Apple is a saint. I think it understands that forcing consumer friendly practices for its customers makes sense especially if they get paid to do so.

[adityamwagh]

Making people pay more on Apple devices for the same service is customer friendly?

[denkmoon]

I go to Settings, I go to my Apple account, I go to subscriptions, and I press 1 button to cancel the subscription and 1 button to confirm that's what I want to do and the end date. Unless I know I want the subscription effectively forever, I subscribe through apple so I can do this.

[vlovich123]

Have you tried cancelling your audible subscription? Compare that with the experience cancelling a subscription with Apple and you quickly realize the experience is more consumer friendly. You look at it from a price perspective while others look at it from a value perspective.

[Spooky23]

Try canceling prime. Then try canceling any Apple platform subscription.

[wkat4242]

That's also something that's the fault of US lawmakers. In the EU cancelling a service must be as easy and through the same channels as signing up. Hence it's illegal to require that customers mail a hand-posted registered letter only on the second Tuesday of the month. Unless that's also the only way to sign up.

Transferring you to a "customer loyalty specialist" when cancelling is also illegal if you refuse.

Don't worship Apple because they're a bit more "consumer friendly" (while cashing in 30% for the privilege!!) when you could have everything be customer friendly for free just by electing honest politicians.

[Spooky23]

Fair point, and I don’t worship them. Reality is US governance philosophy is that the market will mostly self-regulate. Apple’s behavior is best aligned with my interest.

If i were an app developer, maker of Skinner box games, or selling virtual products, i would feel differently. But I’m not, and allowing Amazon to extract more margin in exchange for cheapening my experience does nothing to benefit me.

[iwontberude]

So Apple is bad because US lawmakers aren’t forcing other companies to follow their practices.

[wkat4242]

No they're bad because of the 30%. But almost all American companies are bad, really. It's just a inevitability in unrestricted capitalism. That's why we need the EU to put legal constraints on them. Apple isn't the bad Apple in the bunch but they're not great either.

[gamblor956]

Cancelling Amazon Prime took about 15 seconds. Do Apple users have the attention span of a toddler?

[redczar]

They may have changed but it used to be quite confusing how to cancel Prime. Once you cancel and try to buy something on Amazon they present a variety of dark patterns to get you to sign up again.

[redczar]

Apparently I believe so since it provides me with an experience I’m willing to pay a premium for.