[floundy]

I refuse to invest in anything in the Google ecosystem at this point; any app, software, or hardware you use can clearly be discontinued at the whim of the C-suite getting pitched by some PM trying to justify why they deserve to be a team lead for Google's 8th chat or messaging app.

[iamdelirium]

Do you refuse to get iPhones because older models are no longer supported? Because this is the same thing.

[floundy]

I think smartphones are the one exception as a "necessary evil" at this point in the first world.

However, we are talking about a thermostat here. When I bought my house, there were 40+ year old mechanical thermostats on the wall. I swapped them out because they were ugly and not programmable. I put in "dumb" Honeywell thermostats that don't connect to the internet and don't require software updates. Possibly they'll be here in 40 years, though I wouldn't be surprised if some capacitor or something fails, maybe I'll only get 20 years out of them.

Anyway, as a long-time Google user I've just been through this cycle too many times, mostly with web and phone apps, to seriously invest in them. The convenience of having everything in one place, in Google's cloud, also needs to be weighed against the annoyance of migrating things and learning new features whenever they decide to kill something off. If Obsidian dies, I'll take my .md notes to another editor. When Google Keep dies, who knows if stuff will carry forward or break like the Notes->Keep transition did for me.

[toomuchtodo]

Apple has a long track record of extended support for older iPhone hardware while Google has a long track record of destroying any goodwill around hardware investment by consumers. OP is right, you have to be willfully ignorant at this point to buy into any Google consumer hardware ecosystem.

Better to purchase from a company that’s business is what you’re buying, not a labs project at the mercy of whomever is floating through Google upper management at the time (imho).

https://www.macworld.com/article/675021/how-long-does-apple-...

https://killedbygoogle.com/

[iamdelirium]

These products were release in 2011-2013. No iPhones from those era are currently supported by Apple. These products were in fact supported much longer than Apple.

[toomuchtodo]

I’m demonstrating patterns. Ecobee supported its first thermostat for 16 years [1]. They do because they have to, it’s their core business (like Apple does for hardware, again, a core business), Google doesn’t, these are not core businesses. If you want to argue “Google does care and provides reasonable periods of consumer hardware device support,” I don’t believe that’s what the evidence shows.

I’m not mad at the lawnmower [2], it just is what it is. Google doesn’t care and likely never will, because of the incentive structure and culture of the org. “Does it hyper scale? Can we ignore the customers? Ship it.”

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/2/24147154/ecobee-smart-ther...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246

[iamdelirium]

In the example I gave you above. Apple released the iPhone 5 in 2011, the same year as the Nest 2n gen. Does Apple support the iPhone 5 anymore? Using the company you provided, you are holding Google to a much higher standard than Apple.