[fidotron]

> iPhones are a status symbol in America whereas Europeans couldn't care less.

Europeans absolutely could, they're just too tight fisted to actually spend money on things like protecting privacy which is a major part of the whole problem.

They are perfectly fine spending money on luxury cars.

[LunaSea]

> Europeans absolutely could, they're just too tight fisted to actually spend money on things like protecting privacy which is a major part of the whole problem.

Users in the US don't care about protecting their privacy either.

Examples:

1. Google Chrome market share in the US

2. GMail market share in the US

3. Google Search market share in the US

[fidotron]

> Users in the US don't care about protecting their privacy either.

They absolutely do, you just like to dismiss it as being about status.

It was similar when RIM were on top in north america. The status came because of their association with business because they provided secure messaging. High status people care about privacy and security.

[LunaSea]

> They absolutely do, you just like to dismiss it as being about status.

No, they don't. I just gave you three counter examples.

Why is it that iPhone users prefer GMail over iCloud Mail?

Source: https://www.statista.com/chart/34197/share-of-us-respondents...

> The status came because of their association with business because they provided secure messaging.

Users have no understanding of security. High status or not.

[fidotron]

> Users have no understanding of security. High status or not.

Upper middle class americans absolutely do, or they don't stay that way for very long. The US has a culture of a lot more personal responsibility, and a lot less trust of the government to handle it.

> Why is it that iPhone users prefer GMail over iCloud Mail?

They already had it from before people realized it was a bait and switch. Work users will almost certainly be using the Exchange integration, and private messaging is done via iMessage.

[LunaSea]

> They already had it from before people realized it was a bait and switch.

So you mean to say that they made the same mistake that the supposed European users did with the app stores?

> Upper middle class americans absolutely do, or they don't stay that way for very long.

Yet they are on the same very public and absolutely no private or secure social networks (Facebook, TikTok, Instagram) as the rest of the world?

[fidotron]

> So you mean to say that they made the same mistake that the supposed European users did with the app stores?

Absolutely, and they learned from this, as did Apple, hence the rules they came up with to stop Google and Facebook from doing what they were trying to do, which the EU remain oblivious to, supposedly.

This is why new Google products and services are basically doomed to fail in the US market, almost regardless of how good they are.

> Yet they are on the same very public and absolutely no private or secure social networks (Facebook, TikTok, Instagram) as the rest of the world?

You missed a big one: Snapchat; popular mainly in the US purely because of the privacy angle. Those others you mention are used for deliberate sharing.