[philipallstar]

> Housing in Britain is expensive because getting planning permission is difficult.

It's true that planning departments are very expensive, don't do much positively, and still seem to allow awful-looking things to be built, and I'd probably happily do away with them, but the fundamental driver is the incredible onboarding of people from overseas for years that crushes the combination of the existing population and the new people into a number of dwellings that isn't that dissimilar to the previous year.

You can't take on a net number of people each year that would require a new city the size of Nottingham to be built to accommodate, and say "well, it's all the planning process' fault."

[froddd]

Reducing the problem to ‘people coming from overseas’ is an equally reductionist argument.

There are properties going unused, for very many reasons. Second homes, holiday homes, etc. This also drives the price of properties up. This is one of the inputs to the problem. Planning permission laws is another input. The size and change of size of the people needing housing is another input.

[spacebanana7]

Is it not the dominant factor, at least in the short term? It's much faster for 150k people to enter/leave the UK than for a corresponding number of homes to built/demolished.

[macrocosmos]

It’s obviously the dominant factor to anyone with the eyes to see it.

[chippiewill]

It does, but occupancy rates in the UK are already incredibly high compared to countries like France.

There are simply too many people and not enough houses.

[matt-p]

reductionist in this case is not a bad thing. We need a major change to fix this situation and doing some little tweaks like increasing taxes on second homes or holiday homes does not actually fix this (we already tax those specific cases, with things like second home stamp duty or in some areas second home council tax).

You have

A - Demand (immigration of 1 Million per year)

Or

B - Supply (building only 120,000 houses per year)

We MUST fix one or both of these sides of the equation. Holiday homes aren't going to add up to a row of beans quite frankly (and will have very negative effects on the tourism industry, not so bad in London - but might be quite an impact in cornwall for example).

[froddd]

Holiday homes have quite the impact in many parts of Wales.

Occupancy ratings per house seem to be quite low on average [1], but weirdly I can’t seem to find any figures for overall occupancy.

[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/...

Edit: clarification

[matt-p]

Maybe on a hyper local basis, but beware there will be negatives with flushing them out too.

On a national scale I'm afraid it's just not statistically significant.

[mattmanser]

The people have been saying pretty clearly for 20 years that they want A fixed.

But the politicians just ignore that for "growth" and keep granting 100,000+s of visas and then blame asylum seekers.

And then complain that there's mysteriously low productivity in the UK.

[mattmanser]

Nottingham city, the pure "legal" definition, is actually quite small and not what most people think of when you say "Nottingham".

For example, it doesn't include Beeston, West Bridgford, Stapleford, Clifton, Ilkeston, Arnold, Long Eaton, Hucknall and more.

Even though no outsider could draw a line where Nottingham city stops and most of them start.