[rozap]

> Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism, and nobody is arguing that.

Literally everybody on the far right yells antisemitism if you say that Israel is committing genocide. How you can say this isn't so, I'm not sure, but I applaud your ability to cover your eyes and ears, this news cycle is exhausting.

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Accusing Israel of genocide is very often antisemitic, though, since it typically involves holding Jews to a different standard than everyone else.

Why do you presume that it is obviously not a bigoted assertion?

[rozap]

Wild.

[settrans]

You and I must be operating with different sets of facts if this merits a one syllable response for you.

With all due humility and intellectual curiosity, why is it obviously never an antisemitic slur for you?

[rozap]

It is a fact that they are committing genocide. Whether or not there are antisemites in the world that agree with that fact does not change that it is a fact. It is what it is. Own it.

Colonialism is brutal and ugly, and we're seeing it broadcast in HD at all hours of all days. Saying that other countries (the USA, UK, Germany, etc, the list goes on) got to do colonialism and ethnic cleansing does not make it acceptable.

Now, you can just come out and say "I believe we should exterminate the Palestinians because we want their land" but nobody seems to have the balls to say that, even though it is absolutely the intent. So instead there's this nation state level misinformation campaign to try to undermine, intimidate, and suppress any dissent from university students to the ICC, which is frankly, exhausting.

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Declaring something a "fact" without presenting evidence doesn't make it true. If we're talking about genocide, a clear, deliberate mass extermination campaign is usually what's meant, something akin to what the Jewish people experienced during the Holocaust.

You claim that Israel has an intent to wipe out Palestinians and steal their land. But if that was truly their aim, why hasn't it happened already? Israel has the military capacity to wipe out Gaza or any other area, but they haven't. The absence of full-scale destruction calls into question the assertion of genocidal intent.

In contrast, Palestinian factions like Hamas have repeatedly expressed their goal of annihilating Israel and its Jewish population. They acted on this intent with the October 7th attacks, promising more violence to come. They’ve openly stated their goal of driving Jews "into the sea", that’s genocidal intent, not from Israel, but from groups like Hamas.

So, if we're talking about genocide, where’s the evidence of Israel carrying out systematic, widespread destruction of Palestinians? On the other hand, if we look at Palestinian actions, the genocide you accuse Israel of seems to mirror the actions and rhetoric of those who seek Israel’s complete destruction.

Accusations like these are heavy and need more than just rhetoric. Without solid evidence, they become a diversion, not a reasoned argument.

[rozap]

I'll provide evidence, and you'll say "fake news". I know how this goes.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... https://opiniojuris.org/2024/04/05/the-icjs-findings-on-plau... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00263206.2022.2... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11103200/ https://www.wrmea.org/israel-palestine/holocaust-scholars-sa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

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Wow.