[Henchman21]

I will not consume caffeine and tbh the rest of you need to slow down. Modern life runs on stimulants and caffeine is a whip at the back of the worker. I know this forum doesn’t give a damn about worker’s rights, but I do, and man I am tired of all this.

[histriosum]

Your personal choice is fine for you. My personal choice is to enjoy a cup or two of coffee per day, because I love the way it tastes, not because I want or need the caffeine. I currently don't have regular employment, as I am attempting a career change, but my coffee consumption doesn't change when I'm on a job.

With respect, I think your worldview needs to widen out a bit. Just because there are lots of worker exploitation issues going on the world doesn't mean that everything fits in that lens. Some of us like coffee, and that doesn't mean it's because we like or accept a "whip at the back".

[Henchman21]

We can agree to disagree

[joquarky]

You're not alone in feeling this way.

I'm almost 50 and hit total burnout a couple years ago trying to keep up with ever-increasing KPIs, OKRs, and the relentless churn of new frameworks and trends.

I had to quit caffeine and stimulants too because my heart was starting to have problems.

This industry didn't used to be so stressful. It feels like a Red Queen’s race now: you have to keep running faster just to stay in place.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if companies start offering modafinil next, just to keep the line going unsustainably upward. That’s where this trajectory feels headed, and it’s exhausting.

[Henchman21]

Thank you — always good to know I’m not alone!

I also worry about where we’re headed. It certainly doesn’t seem like it’s anyplace good.

[inetknght]

I also care about workers' rights.

Stimulants are a problem, but I do not see stimulants as detrimental to workers' rights.

I see stimulants as a problem for healthcare though. I know people who have heart problems that are exacerbated by stimulants. But that's not a problem for everyone -- just as diabetes or heart disease are prevalent, nor a problem for everyone, and nor are they detrimental to workers' rights.

[Henchman21]

When I heard the tale of how the coffee break came to be — created so workers wouldn’t need an afternoon break — I find myself unable to separate the coffee from that fact. It was a tool used by Capitalists to keep the workers working. Now its so prevalent that no one can see the original causes.

[inetknght]

> I find myself unable to separate the coffee from that fact

Well at least you admit it.

> Now its so prevalent that no one can see the original causes.

I know plenty of people who drink coffee without taking a break to do so. I know plenty of people who drink coffee and are more productive outside of work than people who do not drink coffee at all. I know plenty of employers who do not provide coffee breaks nor free coffee.

Moreover, if drinking coffee makes someone pleasant to be around while not-drinking coffee makes that same person un-pleasant to be around, then perhaps the productivity benefits and original causes aren't so important anymore.

[Henchman21]

Fair points. I do admit it! I expect no one to jump onboard from this community. I may be unreasonable — wouldn’t be the first time I have been accused of such, nor would it be the first time I agreed.

It is a real problem IMO. So many of us are perpetually exhausted. Unable to sleep. Jittery and fidgety. And as you say: unpleasant to be around when withdrawing!

These are the hallmarks of this addiction. To me the thing that is important NOW is getting people to see how deeply this has hurt humanity. But then, I also agreed with the premise of the Unabomber’s manifesto — while disagreeing wildly with his decisions on how to counteract what he saw.

This is a hill I am probably willing to die on.

Edited to add: I appreciate the conversation and not just a downvote, thank you

[inetknght]

> And as you say: unpleasant to be around when withdrawing!

But... I only said unpleasant to be around. I didn't add the "when withdrawing" qualifier.