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by inetknght 441 days ago
I also care about workers' rights.

Stimulants are a problem, but I do not see stimulants as detrimental to workers' rights.

I see stimulants as a problem for healthcare though. I know people who have heart problems that are exacerbated by stimulants. But that's not a problem for everyone -- just as diabetes or heart disease are prevalent, nor a problem for everyone, and nor are they detrimental to workers' rights.
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Henchman21 441 days ago
When I heard the tale of how the coffee break came to be — created so workers wouldn’t need an afternoon break — I find myself unable to separate the coffee from that fact. It was a tool used by Capitalists to keep the workers working. Now its so prevalent that no one can see the original causes.
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inetknght 441 days ago
> I find myself unable to separate the coffee from that fact

Well at least you admit it.

> Now its so prevalent that no one can see the original causes.

I know plenty of people who drink coffee without taking a break to do so. I know plenty of people who drink coffee and are more productive outside of work than people who do not drink coffee at all. I know plenty of employers who do not provide coffee breaks nor free coffee.

Moreover, if drinking coffee makes someone pleasant to be around while not-drinking coffee makes that same person un-pleasant to be around, then perhaps the productivity benefits and original causes aren't so important anymore.

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Henchman21 441 days ago
Fair points. I do admit it! I expect no one to jump onboard from this community. I may be unreasonable — wouldn’t be the first time I have been accused of such, nor would it be the first time I agreed.

It is a real problem IMO. So many of us are perpetually exhausted. Unable to sleep. Jittery and fidgety. And as you say: unpleasant to be around when withdrawing!

These are the hallmarks of this addiction. To me the thing that is important NOW is getting people to see how deeply this has hurt humanity. But then, I also agreed with the premise of the Unabomber’s manifesto — while disagreeing wildly with his decisions on how to counteract what he saw.

This is a hill I am probably willing to die on.

Edited to add: I appreciate the conversation and not just a downvote, thank you

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inetknght 440 days ago
> And as you say: unpleasant to be around when withdrawing!

But... I only said unpleasant to be around. I didn't add the "when withdrawing" qualifier.

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