[FirmwareBurner]

>Good luck finding people willing to immigrate to the USA at this point

My German boss just moved to the US. He really loves it there. He said he's also getting better healthcare for his child which has some rare form of autism or something, at which only the US has invested into research and cures at this point.

Edit: why the salty replies?

[arunabha]

No doubt this is true in this specific case, but does this example extrapolate to the general case?

The original point was that given the US government's openly hostile attitude towards immigrants who simply exercised free speech, would the average highly qualified immigrant be more or less predisposed to want to immigrate.

This is made worse by the fact that there appears to be no goal to all this beyond intimidation and chilling effect. Even if you deported every single Palestine protester it would make a zero impact on the stated policy goals of mass deportation of illegal immigrants. None of the recent high profile protester cases were in the country illegally. They simply stated their opinion, and in one case, in an op ed for the student newspaper.

Note that the US has touted freedom of speech frequently and loudly when chastising autocratic foreign powers. So, when a smart software engineer in Europe sees that the current US president is willing to crush the most fundamental of civil liberties to make examples of a handful of legal immigrants, which will in no way do anything to meet his stated policy objectives, what do you think that engineer is likely to conclude?

[FirmwareBurner]

>US government's openly hostile attitude towards immigrants who simply exercised free speech

Source for such claims please? German and UK governments are even more authoritarian on free speech. You can get arrested for a tweet insulting a politician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc

>the US has touted freedom of speech frequently and loudly when chastising autocratic foreign powers

So did Germany and Austria and most of western EU. They were buddy-buddy to Putin in the past for their gas, and now they're buddy-buddy with Azerbaijan who's slaughtering Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh because EU needs their gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

>to make examples of a handful of legal immigrants

Source for such claims please? How many skilled legal immigrants have been deported or subject to illegal government oppression?

[DiogenesKynikos]

> Source for such claims please?

There have been many such cases in the news recently: Mahmoud Khalil, Rumeysa Ozturk, Yunseo Chung, Momodou Taal...

According to US Sectary of State Marco Rubio, the Trump administration is currently seeking to deport over 300 students, purely for criticizing Israel. None of them has been accused of any crime. The Trump administration calls anyone who protests against Israel a Hamas supporter and terrorist, cancels their visa, and tries to deport them.

[FirmwareBurner]

>There have been many such cases in the news recently: Mahmoud Khalil, Rumeysa Ozturk, Yunseo Chung, Momodou Taal...

Coming to a country to incite domestic terrorism or vocally support terrorist groups, gets you in trouble with the law in any country.

If you move to Germany/France/etc and occupy a university campus in support of Palestine, the police will drag you away and you will get deported.

[DiogenesKynikos]

None of them did anything even remotely similar to "inciting domestic terrorism" or "vocally support[ing] terrorist groups" (though the latter would actually be protected by the 1st Amendment).

If they had been in any way involved with domestic terrorism, then they could be charged, sentenced, and probably deported as a consequence. But what they actually did was peacefully protest, write Op-Eds, and generally speak their minds. That's 100% covered by the 1st Amendment.

The Trump administration hasn't charged these students with anything. It's asserting the right to deport legal immigrants purely based on their political opinions, which is an obvious breach of the 1st Amendment.

[FirmwareBurner]

>None of them did anything even remotely similar to "inciting domestic terrorism" or "vocally support[ing] terrorist groups"

They were political agitators. A visa is a privilege not a right, and may be revoked for any reason, you don't have to commit a crime.

>though the latter would actually be protected by the 1st Amendment

The 1st amendment applies to US citizens, not guests on visas.

Why do you move to a country on a visa and then protest against it? Name me a country who accepts that from its visitors.

A visa to move to a country is a privilege, not a right. If you're protesting the government who gave you that visa and you're not a citizen, then get out, good-bye, nobody wants extra trouble makers, you can legally protest by leaving the country you dislike.

How is this even a conversation? Imagine you invite a guest in your house starting to annoy you the hell out. You'd want them out even though they haven't committed any crimes worth calling the police.

[Philip-J-Fry]

It's the classic case of the US being great when you've got a lot of money. Which is why a company full of highly skilled engineers threatening to relocate to the US isn't an empty threat. These are exactly the kinds of people who would have a pretty good life there, so I doubt they'd find any issue bringing many along.

[FirmwareBurner]

Doesn't have to be the US. Switzerland is also a magnet for top companies and skilled people, especially the German ones, due to language and culture similitudes in some regions but with less taxes and red tape and higher standard of living.

And of course highly skilled people who work hard, want to be in a place that compensates them highly for their efforts, otherwise what's the point of busting your ass for decades if you're gonna be getting the same mediocre quality services as people on minimum wage?

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> My German boss just moved to the US. he's also getting better healthcare for his child

This "better healthcare" will be true in the USA, for about 1 or 2% of top earners.

[Argonaut998]

I have to wait 3 weeks for a doctor appointment in my utopian European nation. I also have to pay for it since I earn too much money after being taxed >40% on my slightly-over-us-median income. Thankfully I’m not in need of dental surgery, else I would be waiting 4 years.

I doubt anywhere in the USA is that bad. To me it looks like health insurance is baked into the cost of living. Obviously bad for poor people and should be addressed but I imagine anyone on the median wage should be fine?

[FirmwareBurner]

Not sure why you're being downvoted for sharing your experience and opinion. Nobody even bother to comment on it.

[sorcerer-mar]

Welp that funding is likely gone. Hope they already discovered everything his son needs.

Historically yes, the US has been the global leader for more “bespoke” medical needs.

[kiicia]

clearly he was planning this move ahead of time with one goal in mind, that is to get specialized help for his kid thanks to amounts of money he has

of course he would be happy with this move even if "normal" people would burn around him because he and his family is shielded and have gold parachute that allows him to go back to eu within hours

[FirmwareBurner]

People working hard their whole lives in order to provide a better than average life for their own families and children? WOW, how dare they?!