[cjs_ac]

Speaking as someone who writes Python code for a living, I like the language, but I consider the ecosystem dire. No one seems able to propose a solution to the problem of 'how do I call someone else's code?' that isn't yelling 'MOAR PACKAGE MANAGERS' in their best Jeremy Clarkson impression.

I have no idea how any of it works and I see no point in learning any of it because by the time I've worked it out, it'll all have changed anyway.

At work, there are plenty of nutjobs who seem to enjoy this bullshit, and as long as following the instructions in the documentation allow me to get the codebase running on my machine, I don't have to deal with any of it.

At home, I refuse to use any Python package that isn't in the Debian repositories. Sure, it's all 'out of date', but if your package pushes breaking changes every fortnight, I'm not interested in using it anyway.

If people are still talking about how great uv is in five years' time, maybe I'll give it a go then.

[IshKebab]

I totally agree, but uv is the real deal. It's not another Poetry, Pipenv, etc.

uv takes Python infra from "jesus this is awful" to "wow this is actually quite nice". It is a game changer.

You should really try it now. Waiting 5 years is just needless self-flagellation.

IMO the only risk is that Astral run out of money, but given how dire the situation without uv is, I'd say it's easily worth the risk.

[imtringued]

The python ecosystem will catch up. Before Bambu Lab a lot of 3D printer companies produced garbage printers and after Bambu Lab every 3d printer company has almost 1:1 copied their printers, implying that they were selling garbage all these years, because they have no trouble catching up with Bambu Lab the moment they had to (to stay relevant).

[stickfu]

Not worth trying to drag folks with this mindset into the future. The way I see his workflow(and I do get it, I’m stubborn with some financial stuff), is same way he sees using uv and other new stuff. I agree uv is real deal and will be around for awhile. It has totally reignited my love of writing python. I will say, the love of uv on hacker news has surprised me. I was expecting a lot more replies like theirs.

[IshKebab]

Yeah me too. HN tends to be quite stuck-in-the-mud heavy (e.g. the you often see this in discussions around Rust).

Tbf I kind of understand his point of view - there have been many many failed attempts to fix Python tooling and it's easy to expect uv to be just another failed attempt.

I think it says a lot about just how bad the situation before uv was that even HN is positive about it.

[VagabundoP]

I've used plenty, but uv is basically a one stop shop with a logical workflow.

It has sane defaults so really I'd recommend most people just use it for everything, unless they some very specific reasons not to.

[Terretta]

Speaking as someone who enjoys reading after dark, I like lanterns, but I consider the ecosystem dire. No one seems able to propose a solution to the problem of how do I keep this lantern lit all night without soot and fuel on my hands. At home I refuse to try any fuel that I can't get from the meatpacker's leftovers anyway. If people are still talking about electricity and bulbs in five year's time, maybe I'll give it a go then.