[koutetsu]

Having talked to a few Palestinias that live outside of Palestine, I know that they all have temporary statuses in the neighoboring countries (for example, those in Lebanon) and that doesn't give them much rights and it has lasted for decades already. Forcing the remaining people in Gaza to leave "temporarily" is first of all ethnic cleansing (forced displacement) and second of all it will be anything but temporary.

The same for Syrians in Turkey, they don't have a proper refugee status and have instead a secondary status that gives them fewer rights.

Here's some food for thought from me as well: why does anything that goes in and out of Gaza go through israel? Why don't other countries recognize the state of Palestine? Wouldn't that be a good step towards a two-state solution? (Even though I don't believe that would work, at least not without justice for the Palestinians).

[Protostome]

Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state. that's the only reason why there's no palestinian country.

There's a great project led by a youtuber called Corey Gil-Shuster. This guy walks around the west bank and ask random people about the conflict. I think it sums up a lot of the public opinion in the palestinian territories about the conflict. Here is an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbPK7NnPRUk&ab_channel=Corey...

[xg15]

I can understand that historical position. If someone knocked on my door and told me "hey, I'm gonna take 2/3 of your house or all of it, what do you prefer?" I probably wouldn't inclined to answer either.

Of course none of the present-day Israelis are responsible for that. They are responsible for retreating into a sanitized, mythological narrative about the founding of their state, however.

> Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state. that's the only reason why there's no palestinian country.

Since then, Palestinians have already twice declared their acceptance of a two-state solution in the 1976 borders and declared a state in those borders. It does not explain why Israel and the US kept blocking a state even within those borders. (Meanwhile you can read in Likud's founding charter that the party always fundamentally rejected any kind of Palestinian state as their official policy - a policy that Israel now enacts increasingly openly)

[Protostome]

Zionism started back in the 19th century (circa 1882), back then the land was under Ottoman rule and jews that immigrated to Israel lived on lands purchased from their rightful owners (usually Ottoman).

The palestinians who lived in what is Israel today were considered Ottoman, the term "Palestinian" was simply used to name people who live in that strip of land, rather than an actual nationality. Jews who immigrated to Israel from Europe became "Palestinians".

After the palestinians rejected the partition plan, and war broke out - they lost many of their villages. People who fled later claimed they were expelled for various reasons. Arabs who stayed put and didn't flee became full citizens

That's the whole story

[xg15]

See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43283931

[xg15]

1967 borders*

[koutetsu]

They have the right to reject any unfair division of the land or agreement. Why would they be the only ones to compromise whereas Israel gets to keep almost all of the land.

What did Israel compromise on? They have settler colonies in the west bank, they control everything that goes in and out of Gaza, they built a wall around Gaza, etc.

It all starts from the initial division of the land that led to the creation of Israel. To me that division makes no sense because the area is not proportial to the population and because of the very nature of the split it created. Instead of offering Palestinians a contiguous division of land, it offered them two disconnected pieces of land with Israel right in the middle. That makes no sense.

As for your video, I don't know what you're trying to stay or do by sharing it. No matter whether you like Pelstinians or not, they have rights especially so under apartheid, settler colonialism and genocide.

Here's for you an example video showing israelis:

https://youtu.be/8RVoPZPKxLY?si=Z-T_iKehTsfJ7xMq

It doesn't look good.

[gedy]

> What did Israel compromise on?

They did have Jewish settlements in Gaza that they forcibly removed. They gave the Sinai back to Egypt, etc.

[siltcakes]

Zionists have carpet bombed Gaza so it makes sense that they removed their own people first.

[gedy]

Come on, that's a silly hot take. The settlements were removed 20 years ago and the settlers didn't want to leave.

[siltcakes]

The Zionist intention was always to ethnically cleanse "greater israel", their motive has been complete ethnic cleansing since Zionism's inception.

[bbqfog]

Why would they "compromise" with the people who stole their land. Were the Jews meant to "compromise" with the Nazis?

[Protostome]

You are wrong.

No land was stolen. Up until 1948 all lands inhabited by jews were purchased from their legal owners - I challenge you - please show me a case where palestinians had their land "stolen" pre-1948.

[bbqfog]

The Balfour Declaration and Nakba are things you desperately need to read up on.

[Protostome]

I've read all about those, thanks for the suggestion.

[xg15]

6.6%, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palest...

Also note, from the same page:

> The purchase of land was often accompanied by the eviction of the Arab tenants.

> When it came to the national aspirations of the Zionist movement, the Ottoman Empire opposed the idea of Jewish self-rule in Palestine, fearing it might lose control of Palestine after recently having lost other territories to various European powers.

> In 1881 the Ottoman governmental administration (the Sublime Porte) decreed that foreign Jews could immigrate to and settle anywhere within the Ottoman Empire, except in Palestine and from 1882 until their defeat in 1918, the Ottomans continuously restricted Jewish immigration and land purchases in Palestine.

[Protostome]

Ok now we're getting somewhere.

Can we agree now that no land was stolen? It was purchased from their rightful owners and then, according to Ilan Pappe, ( the one whose book is cited claiming Arab tenants were evicted) who is a known anti Zionist, and hardly an impartial investigator, "often" Arab tenants were evicted.

This is a claim, not an evidence

[actionfromafar]

Another big turning point was when Yitzhak Rabin was murdered. (By an israeli right-winger.)

History could have tipped entirely differently had Yitzhak lived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

[beardyw]

> Historically, Palestinians rejected all compromise attempts to end the conflict and get their state

.... back.

Rather a short reading of history.

[mungoman2]

Currently, 146 UN member states (75%) recognize the State of Palestine.

[koutetsu]

Yes, but most of them are from the global south. The USA, Canada, countries in western Europe (except for Spain and Irelandand those are the same countries always talking about a 2 state solution. That's very hypocritical.