[protocolture]

Allies are good for America. Trade is good for America. Isolation has never been good for anyone.

>The USA is going to claw back whatever economic largesse it has granted to the rest of the world

The USA is going to stop bribing people to like them, an arrangement that suited the USA very well, but is difficult to articulate to seppos in general.

>This is a net relative win for the US economically because once it claws back what it needs, it has a better ability to "go it alone" than any other country in the world. US stocks will continue to be the best buys out there

This is a huge loss, but seems like a win for people who don't understand trade, supply and investment ie, seppos.

>Ergo we are looking at another American century

A Century of trying to keep a safe distance from the most armed nation doing its best north korea impersonation.

Let me make a prediction here.

1. The US is going to get more isolationist 2. Every time they face consequences of isolationism, they will simply declare that the problems were caused by not being isolationist enough, tearing up more trade agreements and generally just shifting away from the world. "If they wont sell us good at price we like, we will just abandon international patent agreements" seems like its not far off after the tariffs. 3. This is a spiral that will end the modern USA as anyone knows it.

I am quite happy with this, as long as the seppos keep the nukes to themselves while they remove themselves from the planet economically.

[shigawire]

>as long as the seppos keep the nukes to themselves while they remove themselves from the planet economically.

Big gamble, especially when we gut the DoE.

[protocolture]

Hoping they lose the capability to maintain those nukes for that very reason.

I mean, they already had to pay to rediscover fogbank once right?

[827a]

Its easy to think in extremes, but the reality will be far more moderate than your characterization. Remember: US policies have a way of flip-flopping every two years as new Presidents and Senators take office, and its very likely that unless Trump can score some massive wins in 2025, Democrats will retake Congressional majority in 2026; the base is incited, if these comments are anything to look at.

But, the direction won't change: More isolationist, greater investment in homeland manufacturing and less global force projection, but still a significant and growing international trade presence, and a signatory to global security guarantees.

Here's how I put it: America bared the brunt three MAJOR, timeline-altering events in the past 25 years: 9/11, the global financial crisis, and COVID (I am not saying the rest of the world did not bare some of these, just that the US did). To think we'd just roll with the punches and there'd be no consequences of these is, frankly, ridiculous:

9/11 led to multiple forever wars that cost America an extreme amount of money and lives for almost no gain, not really even victory. Its lasting impact will be an America that is more hesitant to project force globally.

The GFC led to massive debt spending and an ongoing financial crisis that America still hasn't fully recovered from. Just when we were ramping up to start recovery, COVID hits and we do it all over again. Its lasting impact will be an America that is more hesitant to give away free stuff or take the raw end of trade deals.

[protocolture]

>US policies have a way of flip-flopping every two years

Yes but until the trump era, things remained relatively consistent in terms of international relations.

Flipping on and off 25% tariffs (or even the threat of) is going to have a long term effect regardless.

Flipping on and off the level of interest in international norms, is going to have a long term effect.

And its already ratcheted, things are going to be worse this term than Trumps last term. The next MAGA presidents term is going to be worse again.

Just because its not a paved road doesn't mean you aren't going down a hill.

For me however, this might just be the justification we need to close Pine Gap and US access to the joint submarine radio in WA.

[diamondfist25]

Ur delusional to think dems are taking anything

[827a]

All the data available supports the conclusion that the majority of Americans prefer progressive policies. The problem for Democrats in 2024 was the candidate, and thus, turnout.

- Biden won more popular votes in 2020 than any candidate ever (81.2M, versus Trump's 62.9M in 2016 and 77.3M in 2024).

- Trump's second term was the first Republican presidential candidate since Bush's second term, 20 years prior, to win the popular vote; and Bush had 9/11 to campaign on.

- If you discount that you have to go back to his father in 1988 to find a Republican Presidential candidate that won the popular vote. Seriously, again, I cannot stress this enough: Americans prefer progressive policies. We just tend to prefer cults of personality more.

- Many congressional districts swung Republican in 2024 by only four or five figures of votes, and Republicans only gained Congressional majority by a couple seats.

- Its very likely the United States is currently experiencing or will soon experience a recession. Its likely this would have happened with or without Trump, but the person in charge gets the blame, and it'll be very difficult to fight that claim when tariffs have been such a hot topic.

- Its also the case that DOGE's cutting of the Federal workforce has alienated a ton of Trump supporters who worked for the Federal government or related NGOs.

I think this is pretty clear when looking at the administration's actions: They know that they have to move quick on a ton of stuff in these first two years, because they only have two years with Congressional majority. The last two years of Trump's presidency will be a Republican executive branch and Democrat congress, and nothing will get done. Then whatever happens in 2028 will happen; hard to predict that far out.

You can go read my other comments if you think this position is coming from some crazed TDS democratic lunatic; I'm not. I'm generally pretty moderate and understanding of the more complex macroeconomic and sociopolitical context which has influenced Trump's policies. This is just the facts; anyone with money to bet would absolutely be betting that the American left is more pissed than they've ever been, and the blue wave in 2026 is going to be pretty decisive.

[error_logic]

You're underestimating how much the media landscape has changed, and the groundwork being laid even within the states themselves.