[sevensor]

> Jupyter Notebooks

Well said. My favorite is the notebook that can only get into the state of interest by executing the cells out of order, and skipping the ones with syntax errors. Jupyter is fine for messing around with data, but saving a notebook is a bad idea and sharing one is a terrible idea. The fact that there are software delivery workflows built around Jupyter notebooks is just sheer lunacy.

[anonzzzies]

But that is 'the modern way'... It is what all python people are doing. It is terrible, I agree, however people make out stuff is somehow better now, while making this nightmare. While most CL people moved on a long time ago.

[nickelpro]

We can be more precise, I'm talking about declarative build systems and dependency tracking, project-local builds, tight IDE integration with automatic test suite detection, debug adapters, and language servers.

Those are the kinds of things I'm addressing when I say "modern". I'm not talking about Jupyter Notebooks. Notebooks are as bad or worse than anything I'm whinging about in the CL ecosystem.