[anonzzzies]

But that is 'the modern way'... It is what all python people are doing. It is terrible, I agree, however people make out stuff is somehow better now, while making this nightmare. While most CL people moved on a long time ago.

[nickelpro]

We can be more precise, I'm talking about declarative build systems and dependency tracking, project-local builds, tight IDE integration with automatic test suite detection, debug adapters, and language servers.

Those are the kinds of things I'm addressing when I say "modern". I'm not talking about Jupyter Notebooks. Notebooks are as bad or worse than anything I'm whinging about in the CL ecosystem.