[hyuh56]

My country was invaded many times. We have lost some chunk of land which we can't get back unless there is all out war with countless life lost. We are third world country we don't have backing of US to continue a prolonged war.

[donmcronald]

And the US thinks that’s ok. They want Ukraine to give up the territory Russia took by force. Everyone else wants Russia to respect the agreed upon borders.

[hyuh56]

Russia is not going to give up that territory. Are europeans to go war with Russia. Unless that happens only ukraines would get slaughtered. While USA and European military industrial complex would profit.

[levanten]

You are advocating for giving in to the bully in the hopes that they will stop bothering you. The reality is that the bully will never stop, Russia’s aim is total annexation of Ukraine. Making peace without proper guarantees would be to ensure more Ukrainian people will die in the future.

[hyuh56]

For palestine israel is the bully. Are you advocating for continued terrorism in hopes to make israel bend the knee?

[prox]

I am sorry to hear that and I do feel that.

Ukraine is special because it’s so close to Europe, and many countries on the border feel they could be next (the Baltics, Poland)

The inequality in the world is staggering, and Trumps administration will only make it worse. We need people to come together and help eachother out, and the autocrats and warmongers make this very difficult.

[hyuh56]

Sorry but europe would be the warmonger here. Trump surprisingly seems to want end war.

If my country started a war with my neighbour, the Europeans, USA would have urged us to stop it and make a peace deal. Would blame us for starting a war on silly issues, our culture etc. The west should do the same make peace not war.

[prox]

With all respect, this shows a lot of lack of recent history. It was Merkel and other leaders who tried to get closer to Russia, and Russia was part of the NATO accession program up until 2008, when they bombed an apartment complex. It was Obama who after that, tried to reset the relationship. Russia was welcomed in the economic program and many ties were forged so to get closer (like the OSCE) and to prevent what was happening, right now.

When in 2014 Crimea was annexed, this was a clear breach of trust on the side of the Russians, and the deals and cooperation agreements that were made.

Nobody in Europe wants the war, but we all fear that Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Their policy is very clear.

Now you can argue that Russia seems NATO as a threat, but they could have been part of it.

If you can please read the Russia analysis above, it’s very well researched and shows where Russia coming from, and also possibly how we can move forward.

[saagarjha]

That is what the rest of the west tried to do with Russia.

[hyuh56]

Then they should be happy with Trump who also seems to want to end the war. Considering US was always a war machine this change is surprising.

[DeepSeaTortoise]

That's exactly the opposite of what the West has been doing to Russia since at least 1993.

The by far most egregious offense having been the utter disrespect shown to the CFE treaty.

Also not a single leader on Ukraine's side (until Trump) but even tried negotiating with Putin beyond Zelensky's 10-point "peace plan". The only exception being Zelensky himself during the Istanbul negotiations. They asked Russia to retreat from Kyiv to "enable" those negotiations and after Russia did so, for yet unknown reason Ukraine withdrew and refused to engage in any further negotiations.

[Paradigma11]

You mean the 60km convoy that stranded without gas because they thought they could refuel in Kyiv?

[DeepSeaTortoise]

They've built a pipeline real fast, tho. Couldn't have expected you need to put any fuel into it before something comes out.

At least the riot shields were put to good use, right?