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by hyuh56 481 days ago
Sorry but europe would be the warmonger here. Trump surprisingly seems to want end war.

If my country started a war with my neighbour, the Europeans, USA would have urged us to stop it and make a peace deal. Would blame us for starting a war on silly issues, our culture etc. The west should do the same make peace not war.
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prox 481 days ago
With all respect, this shows a lot of lack of recent history. It was Merkel and other leaders who tried to get closer to Russia, and Russia was part of the NATO accession program up until 2008, when they bombed an apartment complex. It was Obama who after that, tried to reset the relationship. Russia was welcomed in the economic program and many ties were forged so to get closer (like the OSCE) and to prevent what was happening, right now.

When in 2014 Crimea was annexed, this was a clear breach of trust on the side of the Russians, and the deals and cooperation agreements that were made.

Nobody in Europe wants the war, but we all fear that Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Their policy is very clear.

Now you can argue that Russia seems NATO as a threat, but they could have been part of it.

If you can please read the Russia analysis above, it’s very well researched and shows where Russia coming from, and also possibly how we can move forward.

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saagarjha 481 days ago
That is what the rest of the west tried to do with Russia.
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hyuh56 481 days ago
Then they should be happy with Trump who also seems to want to end the war. Considering US was always a war machine this change is surprising.
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DeepSeaTortoise 481 days ago
That's exactly the opposite of what the West has been doing to Russia since at least 1993.

The by far most egregious offense having been the utter disrespect shown to the CFE treaty.

Also not a single leader on Ukraine's side (until Trump) but even tried negotiating with Putin beyond Zelensky's 10-point "peace plan". The only exception being Zelensky himself during the Istanbul negotiations. They asked Russia to retreat from Kyiv to "enable" those negotiations and after Russia did so, for yet unknown reason Ukraine withdrew and refused to engage in any further negotiations.

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Paradigma11 481 days ago
You mean the 60km convoy that stranded without gas because they thought they could refuel in Kyiv?
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DeepSeaTortoise 481 days ago
They've built a pipeline real fast, tho. Couldn't have expected you need to put any fuel into it before something comes out.

At least the riot shields were put to good use, right?

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