[louthy]

Ask the people who tried to scale the Berlin wall before the collapse of the Iron Curtain. Oh, you can't, because they're dead. Shot. Because they were on the wrong side of the boundary.

[johnisgood]

Well, that is people dying. I personally want less people dying, by whatever means necessary.

[ben_w]

Short term, or medium term?

Because short term survival means surrender, followed by the medium term getting conscripted by Putin as cannon fodder to go after the next country.

[johnisgood]

> getting conscripted by Putin as cannon fodder to go after the next country.

Is it not just speculation? Does it have any merits? Would he do it? What makes you think that it is going to happen, that he wants to do it? Could he actually attempt to do it?

[ben_w]

> Is it not just speculation? Does it have any merits? Would he do it? What makes you think that it is going to happen, that he wants to do it? Could he actually attempt to do it?

Having already done it three times:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

3. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/20/russia-forces-ukrainians...

[johnisgood]

There are a lot of things in place that prevents Putin from doing what you think he wants.

[ben_w]

He is currently actively doing this with the Ukranian people in the regions of Ukraine he has annexed.

What is currently limiting him from going further is, specifically, the armed forces of Ukraine.

[corinroyal]

Fewer