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by crazygringo 481 days ago
Russia wants all of Ukraine. They tried to invade Kyiv.

So I'm talking about those specific territories -- all of Ukraine.

You don't really think that giving up the territory Russia has taken already is going to stop Russia from advancing further?
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johnisgood 481 days ago
Why did they try to invade Kyiv exactly? To take it?

> You don't really think that giving up the territory Russia has taken already is going to stop Russia from advancing further?

I honestly do not know. If they do, then it requires military intervention.

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crazygringo 481 days ago
> Why did they try to invade Kyiv exactly? To take it?

Yes.

> If they do, then it requires military intervention.

Yes. That is the military intervention that Ukraine is continuing to take against Russia currently.

Does it all make sense now? Why Ukraine shouldn't just let itself be invaded, in order to avoid deaths?

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johnisgood 481 days ago
But does it actually avoid deaths though? One of them will have to stop, if neither does, there will be more bloodshed, that is a given, right? If Putin does not stop, shouldn't Zelensky do?
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crazygringo 481 days ago
So do you think the world should have let Hitler take it over in WWII? Not just Europe, but an empire stretching continents?

People are willing to fight for freedom, even if they might die in the process.

By your logic, you're saying everyone should just surrender to violent bullies. Most people don't think that kind of subjugation is a life worth living -- not if they can help it.

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johnisgood 480 days ago
No, that is not my logic, and no, I do not believe the world should have let Hitler take over either.
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crazygringo 480 days ago
OK, so now do you understand why Ukraine is resisting then?

Because when you wrote:

> One of them will have to stop, if neither does, there will be more bloodshed, that is a given, right? If Putin does not stop, shouldn't Zelensky do?

You can say in WWII, if Hitler does not stop, then shouldn't Churchill/FDR/etc. stop to avoid more bloodshed?

It's the same thing. It's an expansionist European land grab by a dictator. Just take how you understand WWII and apply it to this conflict.

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