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by ddulaney 481 days ago
Often used by people who are American (from the Americas) but not from the US. Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, and the rest of North and South America.
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From what I've seen, it's mostly used by Americans who are trying to be edgy.
And Americans who hate America and hope that starting a movement to change one of its names might take it down a notch.
Yes.

Let's change the name of America to the United States of America and move it from the front of drop down lists to the end.

Many years ago an Australian show famous for comedic Vox Pop street interviews had a hilarious run on "Asking Americans to name a country that started with the letter U".

I mean, sure, but you've also got "United Mexican States" for Mexico and "Republic of China" for Taiwan or even "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" for the UK.

Nobody in their right mind calls any of them by their full names. The rules are more-or-less consistent, it's just pedantry to complain about "America."

It's accepted by all on planet Dirt that they live on planet dirt.

Elsewhere, others living on orbiting aggregates with surface soil like to occassionally disambiguate.

Naturally this seems insane to the exceptionalist denizens of Dirt.

Mexico alone is clear, a Mexican is a citizen of the UMS. The UK is equally clear.

Outside of the United States, particlularly with other American, North, South, or Central ESL speakers, it's not so clear.

This is why the practice arose many years past, why the BBC once had clear style guides on not using "American(s)" in any articles until after the full name United States of America had been used to establish context for which Americans wre intended.

> it's just pedantry to complain about "America."

Being clear isn't a complaint. It's taken as such by the small minded with a horizon limited by a halo about their head.

I'm not complaining about clarifying. I'm complaining that the meaning of the word is obvious from context in almost every case and this is a really annoying form of pettiness which is hardly being applied evenly.

I don't think I have EVER seen "American" used to refer to "North and South America" outside of geography. That goes for when I'm outside the US, too. It's certainly not what reasonable people would assume you're talking about.

This discussion is really unproductive, so I guess we'll just have to disagree.

Calling the USA just America is like if Taiwan called itself just China. Yes it's common within the USA, but for the rest of the people who live in America, it seems strange.
"American" has been used by English speakers to refer to residents of the US for 3 centuries.

To change it now (why? to avoid hurting the feelings of people, most of whom do not even speak or read English?) would be harmful. "Harmful" is a strong word, so I will explain.

I don't hate Russia, but if I did, I would like it if the Russian people somehow stopped being able to continue to use the main word they've been using to refer to themselves for centuries. It would make it slightly harder for Russians to have conversations about themselves as a social and political entity and to understand old books about their ancestors.

Web sites influence human behavior by making some operations slightly more difficult than others. E.g., the "Accept all cookies" button is a prominent color whereas the "Reject all cookies" link is less so. The point is that a "trivial inconvenience" that is encountered often (i.e., whenever anyone tries to start a conversation about Americans) might have a significant effect over future decades in making Americans feels less united with their countrymen and discouraging discussion of American identity (because for example "USian" is more awkward to use in a spoken conversation than "American" is).

That'd be from your PoV.

It's been in low level general use on forums and IRC by non US english and ESL speakers since pre-WWW Usenet in my experience.

What has changed is I've recently seen it and close variations crop up here on HN, a primarily US forum, more and more in the past few months.

That'd dovetail in with your observation, but it's not a new coinage nor is it exclusive to disgruntled US residents by any means.

This is the first time I have seen this in my life.
Doing a bit of digging online, while there is evidence that /some/ people use it, it appears to be very limited. I understand the desire some people have for an unambiguous English term to refer to things from the US separately from those of the Americas in general, and see the value in doing so. Personally, as a native English speaker, I find USAnian to be clunky - maybe someone has thought (or will think) of a term that feels more natural. It feels analogous to the push from (largely English-speaking) activists in the US to use the term "latinx", much of the intended audience doesn't run into issues with the current terminology and aren't looking for a new term, and the term doesn't feel natural to existing speakers.
Are we not allowed say Yanks anymore?
Yank here, you've certainly got my blessing. Can't imagine someone being bothered by it. I think of it as a demonym just like Brits or anything else.
Those with deep Confederate roots might be bothered.

Or Red Sox fans.

Is the term also fine to use when trying to include the BIPOC citizens?
All Americans get to be called Yanks, and if the southerners complain, hey - they did lose the civil war.
You can say what you want, whether or not people will understand what you mean or interpret it the way you intended is the more relevant question, in my opinion.
I grew up in the US and sometimes refer to us as USian, especially if I want to be clear I'm not referring to Mexico/Canada. I've never seen USAnian.
Thanks for the clarification, I'll switch to the other term in the future.
I don't think there's anything wrong with USAnian, just hadn't seen it before. :)
Yeah, I remember coming across USian fairly regularly in the 2000s, but I can't say I've particularly noticed it in the last decade.

I've never heard of USAnian before, but that doesn't mean it isn't used by some people, just not the ones I interact with.

Before USian, I'd come across Merkin, but usually British writers using it in a mildly derogative sense because of the word's other meaning.

I might add the last term into my vocabulary now.
No it's not.

In English, American means from the US, and there's no word to refer to an inhabitants of the Americas (both continents combined). You can say North American or South American if you want, though. Since those are continents.

You won't find "USAnian" in any authoritative published dictionary, not even the OED:

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=USAni...

Urban dictionary has an entry from 2007

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=usanians

And anyway, official dictionaries are largely historical records, not authoritative sources for living languages. Words mean what people who use them intend them to mean.

Parent said "often used".

It's not.

Anyone can put anything in Urban Dictionary, c'mon. Nobody said no one has uttered the term before.

If something is "often used", it winds up in dictionaries, with a lag of only a few years.

It is in dictionaries, at least two.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Usanian

I’ve heard or read the term at least once or twice along the way, I’ve even muttered it myself.

It might not ever rise to a common enough usage that the big dictionaries list it, or maybe it will.

I probably wouldn’t say it’s frequently used, but probably not rarely either.

The six references provided in that entry are all obscure and none are dictionaries.
By your definition of dictionary. Again, words mean what people who use them intend them to mean. Urban Dictionary and Wiktionary are both dictionaries as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, Meriam Webster has United-Statesian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/United%20Statesia...

How do you cope with Modern English previously never having been a language anyone spoke or wrote?

Can I ask what the point of this thread is? Is it because of the single word "often"?

Seems like a waste of talent and energy.

Canadians don't use that.
They might start soon
It’s Colombia, not Columbia