[dageshi]

Yeah it is.

Tackling climate change would've required people to potentially change their lives, possibly drastically and in doing so likely have a lower standard of living.

And they didn't want to.

They don't want to drive less, they don't want to fly less, they don't want smaller houses, they may say they want to do something about climate change but only so long as it doesn't actually meaningfully effect them.

[relaxing]

The environmental movement between 1970-1990 made great changes in the way people lived. What stopped it was all out effort by the fossil fuel industry to ensure nothing would affect their profits.

I bet you can think of ways to reduce carbon output without changing square footage or miles driven.

[scoofy]

The environmental movement was in large part, wealthy people trying to block development in their own neighborhoods.

Much of that environmental movement created the sprawl we live with today.

[relaxing]

what the fuck

[scoofy]

You look at the history of the sierra club. They went from an organization fighting dams and the army corp, to a group fighting neighborhood development and densification in Marin county.

[relaxing]

Try looking beyond your beef with the Sierra club.

[scoofy]

Have you every heard of CEQA?

You can be an environmentalist (I am) and realize that much of the 'environmentalist movement' is self-serving nonsense; e.g., plastic recycling. It doesn't mean you don't care... it just means the world is less altruistic than you thought.

[votepaunchy]

Yes, it’s called nuclear energy. We had nuclear power on the grid in 1954.