[relaxing]

The environmental movement between 1970-1990 made great changes in the way people lived. What stopped it was all out effort by the fossil fuel industry to ensure nothing would affect their profits.

I bet you can think of ways to reduce carbon output without changing square footage or miles driven.

[scoofy]

The environmental movement was in large part, wealthy people trying to block development in their own neighborhoods.

Much of that environmental movement created the sprawl we live with today.

[relaxing]

what the fuck

[scoofy]

You look at the history of the sierra club. They went from an organization fighting dams and the army corp, to a group fighting neighborhood development and densification in Marin county.

[relaxing]

Try looking beyond your beef with the Sierra club.

[scoofy]

Have you every heard of CEQA?

You can be an environmentalist (I am) and realize that much of the 'environmentalist movement' is self-serving nonsense; e.g., plastic recycling. It doesn't mean you don't care... it just means the world is less altruistic than you thought.

[relaxing]

Say what you will about misguided efforts, you have to admit they changed public behavior.

[votepaunchy]

Yes, it’s called nuclear energy. We had nuclear power on the grid in 1954.