[theultdev]

I replied to GP's broad statement with another broad statement.

The supporting evidence is the economy and world state of affairs.

Turns out printing a fuck ton of money, handicapping energy and massive amounts of fraud lead to inflation, who woulda guessed.

Not to mention the millions dead while Biden sit back and watched conflicts. All of which can now have peace talks.

Then there's the disastrous Afghanistan withdraw.

Want anything else?

[rbetts]

> Want anything else?

Yes. The Truth.

Economy: US economy out-performed the Europe, Japan, India, ... during Biden's tenure. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2023...

Energy: Production is at historic highs and the US is a net energy exporter. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

World Affairs - I suppose you could concede portions of the Ukraine to Russia. Those aren't my politics. Maybe you believe in conquest by violence, though.

Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51692546. I credit Trump with ending this conflicting. It should have been ended a long time before that. But he signed a weak deal in February of 2020 that left a lot political pain for his successor.

[theultdev]

> Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan

Yes and Trump safely reduced troops down to 6000 out with no deaths for years.

But then, Biden pulled out of Bagram Airfield Base, leaving billions in weapons for the terrorists.

Then had Al Qaeda run security for the local airfield, so naturally there was a bombing that killed 300 people including 13 marines.

Not to mention the people falling of the airplanes because it was so chaotic and uncontrolled.

It's good to pull out of Afghanistan, Trump was right to do so. But Biden fucked it all up.

[seanmcdirmid]

There were only 6000 troops left in Afghanistan, actually much less than that, when the date got there. It’s like, hey, let’s leave at the last minute with a skeleton crew and see if that isn’t chaotic. Trump wasn’t an idiot, he knew the position he was handing off to Biden. Biden had two choices, a chaotic withdrawal, or put more troops in for a secure one, but that went against what Trump agreed to with the taliban (so not really a choice). You know who the POS is in this story right?

You don’t withdraw the bulk of an army, leave a token force in place, and expect that to go well. You just don’t do that, and Trump the very stable genius he is, did. And it worked out well politically for him, so I guess it was smart.

[theultdev]

That's completely false.

I was off on the numbers though.

So Trump reduced it from 4,500 to 2,500 mid Jan 2021.

Point is, terrible execution on the pull out.

Leave from the base, take the equipment.

Don't trust terrorists to run security.

300 people died because Biden is an idiot.

[seanmcdirmid]

Again, Trump left Biden with a token force, there was no way that was going to work out for him, you just can’t drop more troops in when the security situations degrades but you are leaving. And Trump didn’t care about those soldiers deaths, his disdain for the military is well documented, this was a political win for him, it makes sense why he invited the taliban to 9/11 remembrance ceremony. The guy is just the worst kind of life form.

[theultdev]

Why leave the base that has more security and airfields just to use the local airfield and rely on terrorists to run security because you pulled the troops out first?

It's not that he was pulling them out. It's HOW he pulled them out.

If it were a Republican you would have criticized that shit show too.