[margalabargala]

Tesla gained a reputation of being the best EVs around, by virtue of being essentially the only company making EVs able to truly replace a gas car for close to a decade. It's easy to be the best in a category with just one competitor.

Now that other companies are making EVs that compete directly with Tesla, they aren't reliably best-in-class or best-in-price-point anymore. Compare the Rivian R1T to the Cybertruck, or the Equinox EV to the Model Y, or the Ioniq 6 to the Model 3. The top of the line Model S still doesn't really have any viable competitor.

Tesla has phenomenal battery and motor tech, but their actual car design leaves a lot to be desired, and that's starting to hurt them now that they aren't the only game in town.

And the fact that their CEO throws Nazi salutes at political rallies does not help their market share. In Europe at least that's directly impacting their sales.

[KerrAvon]

Lucid has a viable Model S competitor. I haven't driven one, but they're very well-reviewed and they beat the Model S specs for range.

[margalabargala]

Interesting, it looks like they've dropped their prices a lot since the last time I checked. You're right.

[gottorf]

> their CEO throws Nazi salutes at political rallies

Come now, even the Anti-Defamation League, hardly a habitual supporter of Musk, disagrees with this take. Your opinions are your own and you're free to believe he did Nazi salutes, but it does make you sound like you have an axe to grind.

[margalabargala]

Both my grandfathers fought in Europe in WWII.

When they were alive, if I had done what Elon did in front of either of them, that would have been problematic.

I think that's a decent yardstick. The absolute best interpretation is that Elon is someone who does not care if he does things that look like Nazi salutes.

[gottorf]

> I think that's a decent yardstick

I have relatives who suffered under imperial powers who to this day refuse to buy products made in that country, even though they're objectively good and in some cases the best in the market. I hardly think the trauma of war makes for good judgment, even decades removed.

[margalabargala]

Let's say you convinced your relatives to stop boycotting those products. Then, the CEO of a company behind one of those products, appeared at a political rally in the ex-imperial country, wearing the symbols and colors of thebold imperial regime, and waving a flag showing the old imperial borders.

I think your relatives would be quite justified in boycotting that one product.

You can make your purchasing decisions however you like. Other's don't. Ignoring war trauma makes someone a shit businessperson, at best.

[ImJamal]

Tim Walz hit his chest and then throw up a Nazi salute during the campaign. Where was the outrage? Where was the 24/7 news coverage?

[LunaSea]

Well one of these two people spoke at the German far rights neo-nazi party (AFD) rally not long ago.

[ImJamal]

If AfD is a neo-nazi party then why is their leader a lesbian married to a woman of a different race? Seems like these Nazis aren't being very Nazi like in their leaders.

[LunaSea]

Well Hitler wasn't a blue-eyed blond German either.