[bobds]

I believe there is climate change, there always is. The idea that we are the sole cause or that we have the power to stop it, seems a little absurd.

The best thing I've read on the topic:

http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm

"Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) -Study the data and reach your own conclusions!"

[acqq]

Burt Rutan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Rutan

"an American aerospace engineer." "a BS degree in aeronautical engineering." Not anybody who is professionally involved with climate and climate effects in any way.

To compare:

http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/global_wa...

"Some claim that there are 31,000 U.S. scientists and over 850 peer-reviewed papers that challenge the consensus that humans are causing climate change. Skeptical Science gave these claims the greatest benefit of the doubt and came up with this interesting factoid:

31,000 scientists represents 0.1% of US scientists that hold a BS degree or higher

850 papers represents 0.1% of the peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change"

Burt Rutan is just one of 0.1% above.

[lmm]

>I believe there is climate change, there always is. The idea that we are the sole cause or that we have the power to stop it, seems a little absurd.

There are a lot of us, and we've been pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere for a long time. Things like the ozone hole or the long-term deforestation of Europe show that humanity is very capable of making substantial changes to the global climate.

[bobds]

We've created a lot of problems, yes. We need more energy, more food, more clean water. We need to clean up our soils, we need to plant some new forests.

The focus on cutting CO2 emissions seems misplaced.

[lmm]

Have you any idea what the effects of a 10m rise in global sea levels would be? There are plenty of problems for humanity to deal with, but few more important or urgent than that.