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>I believe there is climate change, there always is. The idea that we are the sole cause or that we have the power to stop it, seems a little absurd.

There are a lot of us, and we've been pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere for a long time. Things like the ozone hole or the long-term deforestation of Europe show that humanity is very capable of making substantial changes to the global climate.

[bobds]

We've created a lot of problems, yes. We need more energy, more food, more clean water. We need to clean up our soils, we need to plant some new forests.

The focus on cutting CO2 emissions seems misplaced.

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Have you any idea what the effects of a 10m rise in global sea levels would be? There are plenty of problems for humanity to deal with, but few more important or urgent than that.