[relyks]

This is actually dumb. I go by he/him pronouns and I put them in my signature, because my first name is gender-neutral. I find it annoying when people assume I'm female over email correspondence. Not considering people with different genders or who have a desire to use different pronouns, I'm sure there are other people like me in the federal government. What's next? They'll tell people they need to change their name to match their assigned birth gender?

[dyingkneepad]

"Relyks is an employee of ACME corp. He works in the Hell, MI office."

Something like that?

[anon291]

Just use the typical way and put 'Mr.' in front of your name in your signature.

[tolien]

A chunk of the federal employee base will have something like "LTC" or "Dr." in front of their name, which again confers no indication of gender or preferred pronoun.

[keybored]

Mr. Bob French Fries, M.D., Ph.D

People should do what they want with pronouns in email signatures. But I don’t understand why you can’t string these together.

[jdgoesmarching]

I don’t understand why you’re going through all these weird lengths to solve a problem that pronouns more optimally solve and cover more use cases (e.g. nonbinary people).

[llamaimperative]

Sounding pretentious (for one's own tastes) is a perfectly defensible reason not to do this. I don't know anyone who enjoys Mr/Ms/Mrs.

[keybored]

Right, I misread this part. I thought the pretentious part was using your titles in your name. Not the Mr/Mrs thing. Oh well.

[keybored]

I see no difference in pretentiousness between the two styles.

[llamaimperative]

Sure, but it's not your name.

[tolien]

As an example (the DoD has almost 2 million personnel on active duty/reserve/guard), "Capt. J Bond USN".

[Balgair]

One I've heard a lot from boomers is:

"Mr. Doe is my father. Call me John"

And yes, even the 70 year olds still do this around me, and yes, I find it really weird too.

[mpalmer]

Putting "Mr." or "Ms." in front of your name is including your pronouns, and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

[nickthegreek]

interesting. this might be able to be exploited by those who wish to convey their pronouns without breaking this new pronouncement, at least for those who have chosen one of the traditional binaries.

[ImJamal]

Mr or Ms are not pronouns, they are nouns. Pronouns would be he, she, it, they.

Here is Webster's Dictionary where they agree they are nouns

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Mr.

[alistairSH]

Grammatical correctness aside, "Mrs" or "Mr" at the front of an email conveys almost the exact same information as "she/her" or "he/him" at the end.

[Balgair]

Yeah, I mean, it's not going be a one size fits all solution here though. Some people get really finicky with titles. And with about 2.3 million employees, simple rules aren't going to work, there's too may execptions.

Just with the simple trans stuff, estimates are about 0.5% of people fit that description. So about 11,500 employees. Not all of them are fully out, so you're looking at a lot of people that don't fit that bill.

Some people really do not want to be a Mr. or a Ms./Mrs. I think it goes back to bad childhoods.

Some people really do not think that they are a Mr./Mrs. anymore, that they are Dr. or Col. or Rev. now and just reject the Mr./Mz. out of hand.

I have older people in my life that are super particular about the Mrs. thing and just use Mz. and always have.

Also, you still have a lot of women, especially older and in the south, that will take their husband's name as their formal title (Mrs. Dr. John Q. Doe). And those that I've met that do this are very particular about it.

Again, there's a lot of people here and I think leaving it up to the particular person on the other end of the conversation is the only workable method. It's a 2-way street afterall and you have to respect that other human on the other end.

In the very least, you've gotten a lot of info about them and their personality that you can then use to your advantage.

[ImJamal]

While I agree, the article only said pronouns needed to be removed. If the article accurately described the new rule, using Mr or Ms would be fine.

[freddie_mercury]

This is what my colleagues in Vietnam have been doing for decades (well, the two decades I've been doing business there).

Vietnamese names are gendered but Westerners have no idea which genders go with which names. (Is Duy male or female? How about Duyen?) So, at least in my experience, they've always just put Mr/Ms in their email so people know which it is.

[lesuorac]

At this point, I think the typical way actually is to have (he/him) at the end.

[anon291]

no that's universally bizarre. You cannot dictate your pronouns. Pronouns are part of a language not your person.

[redwoolf]

What is the salutation for they/them pronouns?

[evolve2k]

Mx

“The x is intended to stand as a wildcard character“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mx_(title)

Meaning not exactly the same, but closest relevant title.

[redwoolf]

I did not know that. Thanks! But it's so rare that people even use honorifics at all these days.

[ebiester]

Mx. is the most common.

[low_tech_love]

How about “no”?