[comandillos]

Guys, there is no Tax benefit / Umweltbonus in Germany anymore, and EV sales also plummeted as hell in the country.

People just want to buy whichever is the best price/quality EV out there, they dont care who or what the CEO says most of the time.

This is not politics, is economics.

[earthnail]

Disagree. Teslas used to be the car of choice for your average Green party voter. It’s the voter class that can afford this car. Elon is a persona non grata in these circles, and the alt right (on average) can’t afford this type or car.

[locallost]

The average green party voter does not really drive. They live in cities and take public transport. On average of course.

[hermitcrab]

Anecdata: I am interested in buying an EV. I have completely ruled out getting a Tesla, purely on the basis of Musk's behaviour. I'm in the UK. Given the history, I suspect that many Germans looking for EVs are even more sensitive to his behaviour than I am.

[madaxe_again]

It’s kinda politics, as in Portugal, for instance, you can get a subsidy on pretty much any EV except for a Tesla - and it’s hard to see that as anything other than politically motivated.

[belter]

Not politics, as I suspect you are probably aware.

In Portugal, electric vehicle (EV) subsidies are available for new battery electric vehicles (BEVs) priced up to €62,500, including VAT. This means that higher-priced models, such as Tesla vehicles, do not qualify for these incentives.

The primary reason for this price cap is to ensure that public funds are used to make EVs more accessible to a broader segment of the population, rather than subsidizing luxury vehicles.

https://blog.wallbox.com/portugal-ev-incentives/

[xienze]

> This means that higher-priced models, such as Tesla vehicles, do not qualify for these incentives.

Is there not at least one Model 3 less than 62K Euros in Portugal?

[belter]

It seems there are some, so they will qualify.

There are many other incentives by the government, like not paying Vehicle Tax since they do not produce emissions. The incentives are listed here in the page of Tesla Portugal: https://www.tesla.com/pt_pt/support/incentives

[xienze]

Fair enough. The parent was making it sound like the entire brand was excluded.

[xienze]

> People just want to buy whichever is the best price/quality EV out there, they dont care who or what the CEO says most of the time.

Yes, most people think this way. However, what you have to remember is that virtue signaling is a thing. For years driving a Tesla was both a flex about how much money you made and how you were a good person, "ahead of the curve", and cared deeply about the planet. Whether these people want to admit it or not, a lot of their identity was expressed through the simple act of driving a Tesla.

Now that identity has, to others in their social circle, become synonymous with "Trump supporter" because of Musk. Hence a lot of Tesla's early supporters or "core demographic", if you will, is desperate to either dump their Teslas or make it VERY clear that they will never buy one.