[peepeepoopoo102]

That's just it: American tech companies aren't staffed by Americans anymore. Liang Wenfang, the founder of DeepSeek, made the point that he values developing domestic Chinese talent over importing foreign experts. It seems to have worked.

[looseyesterday]

"It seems to have worked" I am sure he's a great manager, but whats really working for him is crazy high number of graduates and PHDs in China who are unemployed or underemployed

[peepeepoopoo102]

That would sound a lot like the languishing native STEM talent in the US if it weren't also for the fact that most of the DeepSeek team doesn't have PhDs.

[addicted]

The team may not have too many PHDs but they are from prestigious universities and have published many papers.

The lack of a PhD probably has more to do with the structure of Chinese education but these people were basically studying like PHDs.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/china-deepseek-ai-full-...

[justinclift]

> published many papers.

China has a reputation for being a "paper mill" place though, so not sure that publishing papers has any value whatsoever as a quality indicator.

[whimsicalism]

tech talent in the US is not languishing

[aleph_minus_one]

> tech talent in the US is not languishing

Only those tech talents in the USA who are useful for some big tech agenda are not languishing.

[peepeepoopoo102]

I should clarify: the US STEM workforce has historically been very white and very male. That's the body of talent that has been languishing, and the data proves it.

[whimsicalism]

tf are you talking about, share the data

[peepeepoopoo102]

A couple highlights: 94% of the job growth among Fortune 100 companies since 2020 has gone to minorities

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...

Job growth amongst foreign born residents in the US has significantly outpaced native born job growth:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2023/foreign-born-workers-were-...