[looseyesterday]

"It seems to have worked" I am sure he's a great manager, but whats really working for him is crazy high number of graduates and PHDs in China who are unemployed or underemployed

[peepeepoopoo102]

That would sound a lot like the languishing native STEM talent in the US if it weren't also for the fact that most of the DeepSeek team doesn't have PhDs.

[addicted]

The team may not have too many PHDs but they are from prestigious universities and have published many papers.

The lack of a PhD probably has more to do with the structure of Chinese education but these people were basically studying like PHDs.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/china-deepseek-ai-full-...

[justinclift]

> published many papers.

China has a reputation for being a "paper mill" place though, so not sure that publishing papers has any value whatsoever as a quality indicator.

[whimsicalism]

tech talent in the US is not languishing

[aleph_minus_one]

> tech talent in the US is not languishing

Only those tech talents in the USA who are useful for some big tech agenda are not languishing.

[peepeepoopoo102]

I should clarify: the US STEM workforce has historically been very white and very male. That's the body of talent that has been languishing, and the data proves it.

[whimsicalism]

tf are you talking about, share the data

[peepeepoopoo102]

A couple highlights: 94% of the job growth among Fortune 100 companies since 2020 has gone to minorities

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...

Job growth amongst foreign born residents in the US has significantly outpaced native born job growth:

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2023/foreign-born-workers-were-...

[whimsicalism]

because white people are 90%+ of those retiring from fortune 500s. citing this is proof of innumeracy