[MyFirstSass]

Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment?

Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake.

Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own history. These "but Tiananmen square" posts are grotesque to me as a europeean when coming from americans. Absolutely grotesque seen in the hyperviolent history of US foreign policy.

Both are of course horrible.

[scarface_74]

But that isn’t censored by ChatGPT

https://chatgpt.com/share/67996ae1-1544-8010-8ec8-108e2155ea...

https://chatgpt.com/share/67996b50-7ea0-8010-8052-f24c30a61c...

Where is the censorship?

[ceejayoz]

They’ve fixed it since, but it used to differ on whether Israelis and Palestinians deserve justice.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CydbE5sutDQ/

[linkregister]

Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation.

The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese government regulations. There is no equivalent universal string that will cause applications to immediately error out in applications hosted in the EU or the US. Of course each US-hosted application has its own prohibited phrases or topics, but it is simple and convenient to use a single string for output filtering when testing.

[ToucanLoucan]

You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

[insane_dreamer]

This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends).

The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.

[sudosysgen]

The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

[scarface_74]

CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou...

The AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg...

Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl...

I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

[sudosysgen]

I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.

[scarface_74]

What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all?

A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to.

https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

[insane_dreamer]

Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.

[sudosysgen]

The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi.

As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

[insane_dreamer]

> We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely

I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.

[suraci]

> but at least... so that it never happens again

lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump

sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected

then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie

and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything

and another war

but at least

[suraci]

> Both the US and China are empires

- who told you this

- credible sources(3-letters)

lol, still don't understand why americans still believe these shit after all things happened in all these years

i mean, all these photos and videos pictured in gaza, but it's debatable whether isreal is commiting genocide in gaza

but tiananmen massacre? it's so real bacause there're only photos of a tankman and some bicycles, ah, of course, therein are "evidence" by color revolution leaders, which, coincidentally, connected with US agencies

even one of them admitted they're lied about this

https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4

https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6

there'sa saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

but fool me at kosovo, then at iraq, then syria, then bucha, then xinjiang

so i'll say, americans are not fooled, americans know these're lies clearly, americans just pretend to not