[sudosysgen]

The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.

[scarface_74]

CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou...

The AP

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg...

Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl...

I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters

[sudosysgen]

I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.

[scarface_74]

What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all?

A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to.

https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm

[sudosysgen]

How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.

[scarface_74]

The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price.

Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?

[sudosysgen]

I don't disagree, however for the AP to refuse calling a spade a spade to me makes it clear than when it comes euphemizing genocide, we're not really any better than China.

But that said, while you're right, it is a loop and the media can't be fully deresponsibilized when they become a victim of the narrative they helped shape.

[insane_dreamer]

Can’t disagree with you about America. But the fact that you can post this without fear and we can protest these injustices is what separates us from China.

[sudosysgen]

The reason I replied to you is because you did disagree, by saying this is the Chinese modus operandi while it's merely our modus operandi.

As far as posting this without fear, I don't mind but I know many do, and stay silent on the subject. We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely.

[insane_dreamer]

> We are better in terms of freedom of speech but it's certainly not a subject anyone can speak on freely

I lived in China for 6 years and am well versed in the levels of control in play there, and the degree of freedom here is not at all comparable.

[sudosysgen]

Again, I don't know why you're deflecting. I said we are doing better. What I disagreed is that we aren't afraid to do so - we aren't, protesting these issues runs the risk to have your life ruined. No point reiterating what I said to avoid answering my point, which is that many people are rightfully afraid to protest these issues, while you said there is no fear to protest them.

[insane_dreamer]

Not deflecting at all. Is there significant fear of protesting them though? If there is I’m not aware of it and I consider myself fairly well read. If it exists it certainly is nowhere near at the level of the fear that exists in China which was my point.

[sudosysgen]

Yes, there is, I know many people who are afraid of protesting because they'll likely lose their jobs. The police also likes kettling people in certain protests which can put you in a jail just for protesting.