[mrtksn]

Yeah right, Reform AFD Rassemblement national Fratelli d'Italia and other risings stars have nothing to do with race and even if they do it's Americans behind it.

Everyone knows that Europeans are much more racist than Americans, it's just that we are much less explicit about it and its issues are different than the issues in the USA.

[Cumpiler69]

You might want to look more at why people are against the waves of illegal immigration and less on the color of their skin.

[nobodywillobsrv]

Even legal migration is bad now.

The governments of Europe no longer hold a monopoly of violence. Terror groups and MENAPT groups have brought a diverse range of violent threats to people.

Building a robot army to solve this is one viable solution that is hardware and software based.

[coldpepper]

Building a robot army is a ridiculous idea.

The efficient & practical way is to stop renewing residence and work visas, making acquisition of visas harder through complex demands of high language proficiency, and a high amount of money as proof-of-funds, perhaps requiring a local referral too. It's what countries that don't want immigrants but don't want to say it out loud do.

[worthless-trash]

They add job requirements (aka skilled migration) and lottery system on top too !

[mrtksn]

Illegal immigration is a BS term, make immigration legal if you don't want illegal immigrants. It's not like people choose the hard, dangerous and expensive ways instead of buying a Ryanair ticket. When the illegal immigrants BS doesn't hold they all start complaining about legal immigrants as with the UK and their core Brexit reason.

[CamouflagedKiwi]

That's a ridiculous way of thinking about it. Anyone who says they don't want illegal immigrants isn't objecting simply because of the legal status, they think the process should be upheld which prevented those people from immigrating legally.

It's the same reason we don't seek to improve crime rates by legalising theft. Sure, there'd be fewer people labelled as "criminal", but the original problem would remain (and in all probability would become worse).

[mrtksn]

And why the process of immigrating legally is more than buying a ticket and a security check at the border?

Obviously, it is the reason that matters and the reason is not benign.

People want other people to like people in certain way they and then castrate Alan Turing for illegal love. People want to have slaves then they have illegally free slaves problem.

Why pretend that this is about upholding the law?

[piltdownman]

Well no, its not. Specifically in relation to Asylum Seekers contravening the EU Dublin Regulation and tearing up their passports on an intra-EU flight so they can claim Asylum and the associated social welfare in Ireland rather than France or Germany due to our much higher rates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

Basically economic migrants - predominately young men from the middle east - disguising themselves as Refugees and taking social supports away from the families fleeing warzones.

[mrtksn]

That is one subset of immigration crime that is rightly frown upon and can be completely avoided abolition of the country borders concept that was introduced in the last 100 years or less. Want to help people in need? Instead of confining them into areas and then impose restriction on those and give some of them some money, help those in need. Or don't help, but at least don't pretend that you are bringing justice to the world without addressing the core problems.

In other words, this is actually welfare fraud that happens to have a travel component.

[Cumpiler69]

>can be completely avoided abolition of the country borders

Home break-ins can be avoided by abolishing locks on your front door and leaving them open for the public. You go first please.

[mrtksn]

I won’t reply to this strawman argument.

[robertlagrant]

> make immigration legal if you don't want illegal immigrants

As a philosophy of law point, aren't laws passed to make things illegal if they aren't wanted? Rather than legal?

[mrtksn]

That's the point, illegal immigration is just a veil so some people can feel better for them selves.

"it's not that I don't like them - I am not like that, its just that I don't want illegal immigration"

[robertlagrant]

I can understand this might make sense if race (or ethnicity) were the only factor in the world to consider, but since it's not, is there value in thinking as though it is?

[mrtksn]

What makes me think that it's about race(loosely speaking. IMHO it's more about xenophobia and feeling like losing privilege o identity as a nation etc) is that once you make the immigration legal they start complaining about numbers like in Britain.

BTW I don't disagree with the people who don't want everyone be welcome, I just think that their solution ideas and demands are misguided. My observation is that people from various ethnicities can function in cohesion and are about the same when they are from a similar educational background and rarely have ethnical or racial issues among themselves and IMHO all the problems will be resolved if you let people naturally find their appropriate group they belong to instead of having BS like country borders and visas and DEI or race based positive discrimination etc.

[rangestransform]

It is within the right of every nation to determine who comes in and who doesn’t, by lethal force if necessary

[worthless-trash]

Immigration is legal though, in most countries.