[thfuran]

Culture changes, but it's very hard to deliberately effect specific changes.

[yencabulator]

You know how everyone talks about the Finnish education system? That system was completely planned, designed, and transitioned into in the semi-recent past.

[mmooss]

Not really. People deliberately persuade the public of things all the time. Some persuade them of absolutely false, awful things with regularity.

[thfuran]

When you say "things", I assume you don't mean "to change deeply held values and cultural traditions".

[fragmede]

Like eating meat? We've been doing that for millenia, yet somehow there's grass roots vegetarian and vegan movements all over the place.

[mmooss]

Sure, like women getting educated, working, and having equal rights? Universal literacy and education? Instant global telecommunications? Democracy? ... I think it can be done!

[thfuran]

>Sure, like women getting educated, working, and having equal rights?

That only took a few thousand years and still isn't really there yet.

[mmooss]

It took a couple decades really. I don't think what happened in 9th century Japan was really relevant to the modern women's rights movement.

They delivered the results, and there's nothing you can say that changes the facts. You seem to really want to believe, and everyone to believe, how hopeless you are.