[tensor]

That doesn't make sense to me. Anecdotally, most people I know who love actual raves generally didn't go to clubs, for one.

But also more broadly, I've heard from multiple local venues that one big change is that EDM crowds don't drink as much. This means venues make A LOT less money, and that means fewer venues. If I had to guess, another factor is that younger crowds don't have the buying power older generations had, so if anything they would be MORE likely to go to an "illegal" rave with no cover and do some drugs instead of drinking.

Basically, to me, economic forces suggests that the rave crowd and club crowd are NOT correlated.

edit: and more anecdotal data for you, I use to go to a lot of clubs when I was young (and fewer raves), but now that I'm older me and my group tend to either throw our own parties at home with our own gear, or go to "listening bar" type venues that wouldn't typically be classified as a "club." We're all too old to drink high priced shitty beer and deal with lines and bouncers. I'd rather be able to have a top sound system, order an IPA or cocktail, and maybe even have a seat to lounge in!

[9rx]

> Anecdotally, most people I know who love actual raves generally didn't go to clubs, for one.

In a similar vein, most people I know who love watching sports do not play the sport they enjoy watching. However, like the parent, I suspect that the numbers watching a sport strongly correlates with the numbers playing the sport. There need not be overlap between the watchers and the players for the correlation to stand. Something being in the zeitgeist lifts all related boats, it seems. Raves and clubs are different expressions of what is essentially the same fashion. It seems unlikely that only one expression would die off where the general fashion trend remains intact.

[jdgoesmarching]

> Raves and clubs are different expressions of what is essentially the same fashion.

This is a very efficient way to communicate that you don’t have experience with raves and/or clubs.

[9rx]

Efficient communication of lacking said experience would be met with details provided by someone with experience, not a commentary on efficiency itself. It turns out it is highly inefficient.

[sneak]

Clubs close at 2am in most states of the US, by law.

Raves usually start about then.

They are not remotely the same thing.

[saberience]

Guess what, "rave" isn't a scientific term with a precise definition defined by the IEEE board of standards.

For every raver I know, it means going out dancing to electronic music and usually taking some drugs other than alcohol. It doesnt matter if it starts at 1pm and ends at 1am, or whether it starts at 12am and ends at 5am. The time doesnt matter, legality doesn't matter, and location doesn't matter.

[saberience]

What is an "actual" rave? Are you gatekeeping an English word which means many different things to different people based on where they grew up and their socioeconomic background.

I've been "raving" since 2002 and for me it means dancing to electronic dance music and taking drugs, and it can be in a legit nightclub, or someones house, or a festival, or indeed an illegal warehouse rave. Everyone I have "raved" with, used the term interchangably.

If I told my friend, "I was raving at Tomorrowland last year", they would never say, "you can't say you were raving because that's not an illegal event."

Raving is not a scientific or mathematical term that has some precise definition. Don't try and make it that way, that's not what raving is about dude.