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by bruce511 532 days ago
Both positions can be true - what you said, and what the parent said.

The problem with what you said is that it's a statistic lumping all households together. As such it's largely meaningless because it lumps Elon's household with some person living in a trailer park in Montana. They are unlikely to have similar disposable income.

Equally, while health care might represent 17.6% of GDP, this of course provides no limit on any one person or group. Indeed, assuming that most billionaires are not spending 17.6% one can assume the real cost to many I'd much (much) higher than that.

No to the parent's statement about "poorer". There are many things to measure here beyond just "cash in the bank". And there are terms like "middle class" and "majority" which are imprecise.

Nevertheless the point, as an anecdote stands. While America the country is rich, not all the people in it are. Indeed it seems to be increasingly split into rich and poor - the middle class is shrinking.

The good news though is two fold. Firstly most Americans seem happy with this setup (presumably because it maintains the illusion that they can obe day be rich.)

Secondly the majority of (not rich) people believe that having rich people in charge will benefit them. No doubt the incoming government of billionaires is something to look forward to.

Which is all yo say that each country gets what they want. The US _wants_ for-profit health care. They believe it is the best in the world. Other countries think its bonkers and have other approaches. That's perfectly OK.

Indeed this is democracy in action. We vote for people who will best do what we want them to do. Who guide us, not just by their words but their actions. We clearly understand the actions of the incoming guy (he's been there before). He's clearly pro-health-company (not pro health consumer) so this is (quite literally) what people want.

The future looks very bright indeed!

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> The problem with what you said is that it's a statistic lumping all households together. As such it's largely meaningless because it lumps Elon's household with some person living in a trailer park in Montana.

No, because it's a median value, thus outliers are irrelevant.

Is it a median? The site doesn't say (that I can see) but the text seems to suggest an average, not a median.

But even if it's a median, the point stands. At least half the country falls below this standard.

Equally the distribution of outliers is not balanced. There are a lot lot more outliers (far from the median) on the up side than the down side.

There are at least three kinds of averages: mean, median, and mode.
>The problem with what you said is that it's a statistic lumping all households together. As such it's largely meaningless because it lumps Elon's household with some person living in a trailer park in Montana. They are unlikely to have similar disposable income.

If a sibling comment[1] is to be believed, the "Southeast Asian backwater" in question seems to be Bangladesh. Looking at GDP per capita PPP (ie. adjusted for cost of living), united states is nearly 10x as rich. Is it possible to construct a hypothetical where a country has 10x higher GDP per capita than other, but the average citizen is poorer? Yes. Is that actually occurring? Unlikely.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42630667

>Nevertheless the point, as an anecdote stands. While America the country is rich, not all the people in it are. Indeed it seems to be increasingly split into rich and poor - the middle class is shrinking.

I don't know how you can possibly interpret the parent comment as just an "anecdote". It's specifically making claims about "the majority of middle-class Americans".

> most Americans seem happy with this setup

> The US _wants_ for-profit health care

> We vote for people who will best do what we want them to do

> The future looks very bright indeed!

What did I just read.

It's a puzzling but stubbornly true aspect of the US electorate: replacing private insurance with a universal program polls at like 20%. People like the idea of a universal health insurance program but don't, themselves, want to be enrolled in it.
How do you interpret the most recent results differently?

(Feel free to read some sarcasm / blind adherence to democracy into the earlier post, but its hard to interpret the election results in another way.)