[cduzz]

The sayings are "the dose makes the poison." or "The solution is dilution."

I've found over time that neither aphorism is true. The poison is poison, regardless. Caffeine, Sugar, Plastic, Alcohol, Social media --- all bad like arsenic, but tastier (or more useful).

I want to drink some sugar free beverage that's not just water, and find that my only option is typically caffeinated (or alcoholic, which is nearly the same as sugar).

So indeed, decreasing poison intake is a good thing. Since life is inevitability fatal, I'll probably not go to the extreme of eliminating any of those.

[wiseowise]

> I want to drink some sugar free beverage that's not just water, and find that my only option is typically caffeinated (or alcoholic, which is nearly the same as sugar).

Move to the Netherlands.

https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi518907/zero-sugar-zero...

[cduzz]

Oh, I don't even want it to taste sweet; cold black coffee is my typical beverage; I've had to switch to decaf just to keep my resting heart rate somewhere below 100bpm...

[sebstefan]

There is a recommended dose of sugar a day, there is no safe dose of alcohol. Same as cigarettes

[lambdaba]

There is a recommended upper limit, your comment makes it sound like sugar is a requirement. I think some people might still believe you "need" sugar, I certainly grew up with that notion.

[cduzz]

People need carbohydrates.

Sugar is one of the possible ways of getting carbohydrates, certainly one of the most delicious.

You won't get sick if you get your carbohydrates from some non sucrose / fructose source.

[lambdaba]

Carbohydrates are not biologically required in the diet.

[wiseowise]

> Sugar is one of the possible ways of getting carbohydrates, certainly one of the most delicious.

And certainly one of the most expensive ones in the long run.

[sebstefan]

>your comment makes it sound like sugar is a requirement

Sugars plural yes

Hypoglycemia

[lambdaba]

There is no biological requirement for dietary carbohydrates.

[sebstefan]

Then how do we get glucose to avoid hypoglycemia?

[lambdaba]

the liver makes glucose (called gluconeogenesis), this happens regardless of diet