[tw04]

I guess what is it you're trying to imply? Because I find it EXTREMELY unlikely the FBI agents in question don't know what qualifies as an SBR vs. a pistol. Furthermore, even if he does have a naked buffer tube, if the gun was registered as a rifle at the time of purchase, it is a rifle. You cannot "convert" a rifle lower to a pistol if it was defined as a rifle when you bought it.

It also seems EXCEEDINGLY unlikely the FBI would make a giant press release before anyone verified if the rifle in question was actually violating any laws. There would be almost nothing to gain, and a LOT of egg on everyone's face if the guy walks because nobody at the FBI knew the difference between an SBR and an AR pistol.

[ty6853]

The feds recently convicted a guy by arguing a piece of metal (basically a metal business card) with a drawing of a machine gun conversion device on, as having sold machine guns.

They can literally just lie about the law and confuse the ignorant jury as they did for matt hoover. In a couple years he'll get released on appeal, who cares, they already destroyed his business and relegated his wife and childs mother to begging for money on YouTube.

[tw04]

So link to the court case and details?

When you create an account just to post in this thread endlessly defending what appears to be at minimum someone who probably shouldn’t own guns in the first place, it’s difficult to believe you’re here for anything other than stirring the pot.

Oh, I found it. He was literally selling a machine gun conversion kit and claiming it was a business card. It very clearly wasn’t. And it wasn’t a “drawing” it was the metal pieces to convert an AR to fully automatic by breaking out the pre-cut pieces with a pliers.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/atf-arrests-florida-man-s...

[ty6853]

It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it. And the atf followed (cut with a dremel for 40 minutes) the drawing and it didn't even work as traced, nor did they ever get their own design to do anymore than a hammer follow malfunction that a fully legal AR can do without adding parts.

The distinguishing feature between this and a metal business card is the speech on it makes ATF sad face.

[motorest]

> It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it.

That is the attempt to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Even the seller was marketing their machine-gun conversion kits as AR-related devices that the ATF wished didn't existed.

The seller even posted puerile pseudo legal disclaimers such as don't use them to do anything illegal

It's baffling how these puerile arguments boil down to expecting everyone to be binded to a very specific and far-fetched literal interpretation of a specific part of the law while keeping to themselves the fact that it is actually a blatant violation that's kept as an in-joke. When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks.

[ty6853]

You've fallen for a trick. Rather than rehash all the ways you've defamed and lied, your claims are thoroughly disproven in the appeal that will prevail [0]. He sold a metal plate with sad speech on it, that atf testified did not induce automatic fire. Unless every non-stamped ar-15 is an illegal machine gun, this card can't be.

https://www.scribd.com/document/772241091/AutoKeyCard-Case-A...

[motorest]

> You've fallen for a trick.

I repeat:

> When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks.

And here you are, whining that others didn't fell for that pathetic gimmick.

[motorest]

> The feds recently convicted a guy by arguing a piece of metal (basically a metal business card) with a drawing of a machine gun conversion device on, as having sold machine guns.

I feel you're grossly and purposely misrepresenting the case.

The case you're referring to was over unregistered machine-gun conversion devices. The guy was selling them online and was caught with over a thousand machine-gun conversion kits.

What makes this case noteworthy is the dissimulated way kits were being marketed and sold, such as bottle openers, pen holders, or business cards.

The guy also marketed his machine-gun conversion kits as an AR-related device and "the parts ATF wishes never existed".

I believe you are well-aware of this fact. Yet, you chose to misrepresent it.

[ty6853]

They were not kits, and even if you did classify them as one it would necessarily result in every ar-15 being a machine gun because the parts sold in one can do the same hammer follow malfunction without possessing or reshaping the metal card.

It's a metal business card shape with a drawing of the parts of a lightning link on it, that the state admitted didn't even function as one when dremmeled out using the blueprint. Even if you cut into the shapes, ATF could not get it to induce automatic fire. This is primarily a first amendment case and will get overturned as soon as a non-lukewarm IQ judge sees it. It's inevitable.

[motorest]

> They were not kits (...)

That's a personal assertion you're stating, and one that ignores and contrasts with all facts presented in the case.

I won't waste my time debating this.

[ty6853]

That's a hilarious criticism considering the case was about a specific statutory definition, and your personal rewording to reduce to 'kits' which apparently means a flat single piece of metal with a (wrong) blueprint on it is. In that case the anarchist cookbook is a kit since it includes flammable paper that could spark the fire of one of the designs inside, therefore also violates the NFA.

A kit is usually sold to make it easier to do something. In this case the kit makes it even harder to induce hammer follow than simply using the parts already in an ar. Some kit, lmao. It is scary speech on the same kind of metal plates that sometimes instead have business card type speech.