[thfuran]

Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension. And any rate, if a particular EV model was what's affected, why not specify that?

[sib]

>> Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension

Not necessarily - as an example:

Tesla Model 3 Standard: 3,862 lbs (1755 kg)

Tesla Model 3 Long Range: 4,034 lbs (1834 kg)

Tesla Model 3 Performance: 4,054 lbs (1843 kg)

BMW M3: 3,990 lbs (1814 kg)

These are effectively the same weight for comparably-positioned sports sedans.

[constantcrying]

This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car.

The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be designed differently than combustion cars is undeniable.

[xethos]

I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs).

EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.

[sib]

>> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car.

Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..."

GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.

[constantcrying]

Because the M3 might be totally unrepresentative of ICE vehicles. It is silly to try to demonstrate a general trend with two examples.

It is also particularly disingenuous (although irrelevant) that you ignored the different 3er Variants.

[sib]

I'm not trying to "demonstrate a general trend." I'm providing evidence to disprove a blanket statement. And from a logic point of view, showing a single counterexample disproves it.

Separately, the Model 3 Performance is most comparable to the M3. And they are virtually the same weight (as the data that I presented showed). So, not a disingenuous comparison. But thanks for the accusation :)

[bloggie]

I'm not sure about that, my electric vehicle weighs about a ton less than a Mustang.

[neogodless]

https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-curb-weights

2024 Mustang curb weight is 3588 - 3949 lbs.

So you're suggesting you drive an EV that weighs approximately 1588 - 1949 lbs. Which EV is that?

https://www.topspeed.com/lightest-electric-cars/

At least in the U.S., the lightest EV starts at 2952 lbs (Fiat 500e).

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/at-1627-pounds-the-va...

There is at least one EV that is light enough, though I suspect it is not your daily driver.

[ben_w]

Not OP, but also not US.

The Dacia Spring is available around here (Berlin), and while it's a bit more than that mass, it's close enough to be "about" a ton lighter.

[neogodless]

Looks like 2300 lbs but if you're comparing base trims that's 1200 lbs lighter than the base Mustang. A bit of a stretch for "about". And also a nonsensical comparison. Different purposes, different class of vehicle, different regulatory / safety requirements.

[qup]

Is it a skateboard? Mustangs aren't even 2 tons.

An ~1800-lb limit, to be a ton less than a mustang, doesn't give you much room to make a full-size vehicle. A prius is over 3,000 lbs.

[mikestew]

Even if it is a skateboard, it is still heavier than a non-electric skateboard. As GP said, electric vehicles are very heavy. My electric bike weighs considerably more than non-electric bikes, our electric scooters weigh more than kick scooters, and parent is being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

[hombre_fatal]

Quibble: Electric vehicle weight is compared to the ICE alternatives. You’re comparing electric vehicles to things without motors at all

[brookst]

Then your electric car is exceptional. A mustang weighs about 3,600 pounds. Which is heavy to be sure.

But lighter than almost all electric cars. Certainly not a ton heavier.

Tesla model 3: 3900 pounds Tesla model S: 4700 pounds Chevy bolt: 3600 pounds Nissan Leaf: 3900 pounds Volkswagen ID4: 4600 pounds

EVs are heavy. I’d be interested in your 2600 pound EV.

[nhecker]

A Mitsubishi I-MiEV at 2268 LB (3329 LB GVWR - 661 LB vehicle capacity weight) isn't a ton lighter than a Ford Mustang, but it's on the lighter side for an EV.

Source: my I-MiEV owner's manual

[qup]

2024 Toyota Camry - 3595lbs

So is the mustang heavy? Compared to what?

[brookst]

Mustang is a big heavy GT style car. It has heavy engines, a wide body, big tires, etc.

A 2-door mini cooper is 2600 pounds. A Nissan Versa is about the same.

For larger cars, the Elantra and Civic are both less than 3000 pounds.