[sib]

>> Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension

Not necessarily - as an example:

Tesla Model 3 Standard: 3,862 lbs (1755 kg)

Tesla Model 3 Long Range: 4,034 lbs (1834 kg)

Tesla Model 3 Performance: 4,054 lbs (1843 kg)

BMW M3: 3,990 lbs (1814 kg)

These are effectively the same weight for comparably-positioned sports sedans.

[constantcrying]

This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car.

The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be designed differently than combustion cars is undeniable.

[xethos]

I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs).

EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.

[sib]

>> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car.

Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..."

GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.

[constantcrying]

Because the M3 might be totally unrepresentative of ICE vehicles. It is silly to try to demonstrate a general trend with two examples.

It is also particularly disingenuous (although irrelevant) that you ignored the different 3er Variants.

[sib]

I'm not trying to "demonstrate a general trend." I'm providing evidence to disprove a blanket statement. And from a logic point of view, showing a single counterexample disproves it.

Separately, the Model 3 Performance is most comparable to the M3. And they are virtually the same weight (as the data that I presented showed). So, not a disingenuous comparison. But thanks for the accusation :)