[FollowingTheDao]

This COVID argument is weird to me. Go get your shot if you want. I have not gotten any boosters (only had the first two). I just do not need it. My roommate had COVID just last month and I did not get it.

The problem is not with the vaccine itself for most of us. It is about forcing it on us.

[neogodless]

> Go get your shot if you want

So it's optional to get it or not get it.

> It is about forcing it on us.

Oh. So you were forced to get it. We should fight against the law that forced you to get a vaccine. Can you help me track down the legislation so I can help you spread the word?

[FollowingTheDao]

People were forced to get it. Force does not imply government force, but government not protecting us from people who do force people to get vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/1-in-...

Federal workers were forced to get the vaccination as well.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

A list of mandates here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_...

Do you have some sort of mind blindness to what happened during COVID?

[wat10000]

Vaccines have been forced for centuries. Somehow nobody cared, except for a tiny fringe of kooks, until 2021.

[FollowingTheDao]

I think there is huge difference between past vaccines and the still experiment mRNA Vaccines. It is disingenuous of you to assume a similarity between the two situations.

There were vaccine related injuries that were not expected from the trials, as is usual in new vaccines.

[wat10000]

I happen to think it’s disingenuous to assume the new vaccines are weird and different and therefore your reluctance is justified unlike other people in the past.

[FollowingTheDao]

Vaccine 1) Dead vaccine injected in person at defined amoungt.

Vaccine 2) Instruction to make Spike protein injected into body which makes a random amount of spike protein that they never quantified.

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp...

" It was hoped that resident and circulating immune cells attracted to the injection site make copies of the spike protein while the injected mRNA degrades within a few days. It was also originally estimated that recombinant spike proteins generated by mRNA vaccines would persist in the body for a few weeks. In reality, clinical studies now report that modified SARS-CoV-2 mRNA routinely persist up to a month from injection and can be detected in cardiac and skeletal muscle at sites of inflammation and fibrosis, while the recombinant spike protein may persist a little over half a year in blood. "

[cempaka]

mRNA vaccines are absolutely weird and different -- their mechanism of prompting an immune response is fundamentally different as it involves prompting the vaccinee's own cells to manufacture antigens.

Even if they weren't weird and different, previous vaccine rollouts like Pandemrix show that caution is warranted in the early days of rollout for any vaccine. COVID vax fundamentalists couldn't accept that many people might reach a legitimately different assessment of the risks and benefits because in their absolutely hysterical worldview, SARS-CoV-2 was tantamount to a death sentence or lifelong disability.

[wat10000]

The people about to run the health agencies of the US government aren’t of the opinion that vaccines are great but shouldn’t be mandated. They’re of the opinion that vaccines are dangerous and should be banned.

[FollowingTheDao]

Can you cite this please?

[wat10000]

“ There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.” RFK Jr, Lex Fridman Podcast #388

"He says, if you give me the data, all I want is the data and I'll take on the data and show that it's not safe. And then if you pull the product liability, the companies will yank these vaccines right off of the market. So that's his point.” - Howard Lutnick, Trump transition team co-chair, CNN interview, October 30

[FollowingTheDao]

“ There’s no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.”

Safe does not mean 100% safe, nor does effective mean 100% effective. Take the flu vaccine fro example. While the risk is small, there are cases of GBS associated with it. And even with the flu vaccine, you can still get the flu even of the same strain.

So it always comes down to an individual assuming what risks they want to take.

You other quiote was tied to RFK Jr saying this:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-...

“I’m not going to take away anybody’s vaccines,” Kennedy told NBC News when asked whether there were specific vaccines that Kennedy would want to remove from the market.

“If vaccines are working for somebody, I’m not going to take them away. People ought to have [a] choice, and that choice ought to be informed by the best information,” he said.

“So I’m going to make sure scientific safety studies and efficacy are out there, and people can make individual assessments about whether that product is going to be good for them,” Kennedy added.

[wat10000]

So who do we believe? When people say they’re not going to do a bad thing, but also lay out their exact plan for doing it, I’m going to put more weight behind the latter.

[FollowingTheDao]

I do not think what they are doing is bad. Being more open with the data is something all of us should advocate for to promote safer vaccines and stop the conspiracy theories.

[downWidOutaFite]

The question is if i'll he able to get it. I wouldn't be surprised if all vaccine development is defunded. And HPV specifically since christians have a weird hate bonner against it.