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by herghost 564 days ago
I think this is probably correct on the balance of probabilities but I have 2 concerns with it.

Firstly the “it would be illegal to listen” argument feels absurdly naive. Whilst almost certainly true, it only “matters” if the penalty for the crime is meaningful in context. Jail time for Zuckerberg? Probably don’t do it. A fine? Probably do it because it will likely be immaterial to the upside.

Secondly the parody-like definition of what “listening” actually means. No one is thinking a warehouse full of humans with headsets transcribing conversations and picking matching ads. An AI is perfectly capable of transcribing at scale and near real-time and linking this to keyword matching and ad-serving.

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Just ask someone from the industry itself. Like me. I didn't met a single "online marketeer" that ever offered such an option to (re-)target customers.

Doesn't mean there are fishy tools to allow that. But I am pretty sure, that no bigger advertiser or publisher is currently making use of such kind of technology.

Besides the "it's illegal" argument there's also this: "it's unethical". It would fall back on the advertiser itself.

Besides that, I guess it's a known fact, that "digital assistants" like Alexa are actually listening to every word you speak and therefore indeed offer products based on what you said.

There are marketing companies who gleefully offer this capability. It is 100% real. It is 100% technically possible.

It is also inarguably happening because we have all seen it with our own eyes. Don’t try to gaslight. We know what we’ve seen.

I am not saying it's not working and no one is offering it, I am saying, it's not something you would expect from a bigger advertiser.
It's possible to do some voice transcription today but nobody has the budget or number of chips needed or bandwidth or edge device battery power to ingest billions of 24/7 audio streams and transcribe them in real time for ad serving.

On top of that they'd have to make it a conspiracy and make sure no engineers talk about it here on HN.

We can do those voice assistants only because everyone isn't using them simultaneously for 24/7 transcription.