[cynicalpeace]

I have never heard Trump say he hates immigrants. His wife is literally an immigrant. Do you actually believe he hates immigrants?

Actually hating immigrants and being politically (and sometimes factually) incorrect are two different things. The latter is forgivable.

[consteval]

Calling people criminals, dangerous, insinuating they eat house pets, etc, counts.

Just like you don't need to say "I hate women" to be a misogynist, you don't need to say "I hate immigrants" to send that message. You just don't.

Also I don't care about Melania. "I have a black friend" type arguments are shallow and worthless.

[valval]

Why does this not lead you to believe that he dislikes immigrants who are criminal, dangerous, or eat house pets? Why do you think it represents his attitudes towards all immigrants?

In reality, when Trump talks about immigrants he talks about illegal and problematic individuals. On top of that, he also talks about not immigrants a lot.

[sanderjd]

It's essentially the first thing he said when he kicked off his campaign in 2015.

[kthielen]

For some reason you're willing to drop the context.

He's talking about people coming through the border without being vetted, who are dangerous to the country.

Do you think that people should be able to come into the country freely without any vetting at all?

He was pointing out a specific problem, maybe your imagination turned that into the much more general "all immigrants are bad" when he's never actually said or suggested anything of the kind?

[cynicalpeace]

> It's essentially

So he didn't say it.

[sanderjd]

This may be news to you, but human language is often nuanced and indirect. It is a perfectly reasonable short-hand to say that he hates immigrants when his political career was launched on painting them as criminals, drug dealers, and rapists.

This kind of "but he didn't actually say the word hate" pedantry is unconvincing.

[cynicalpeace]

His wife is literally an immigrant

[sanderjd]

First of all, what makes you think he doesn't hate his wife? He has treated every woman in his life, including Melania, like trash.

But you're right, even in that speech, he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border. He doesn't seem to have a problem with white immigrants. Thing is, I think it's true that racism isn't close to being the thing driving the political realignment since he came on the scene, but that doesn't mean it's false that he's racist. Both things can be true.

[valval]

> He has treated every woman in his life like trash

This is a lie.

> he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border.

This is a lie.

We're tired of your lies. Do you not get it? When will you get it?