[sanderjd]

This may be news to you, but human language is often nuanced and indirect. It is a perfectly reasonable short-hand to say that he hates immigrants when his political career was launched on painting them as criminals, drug dealers, and rapists.

This kind of "but he didn't actually say the word hate" pedantry is unconvincing.

[cynicalpeace]

His wife is literally an immigrant

[sanderjd]

First of all, what makes you think he doesn't hate his wife? He has treated every woman in his life, including Melania, like trash.

But you're right, even in that speech, he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border. He doesn't seem to have a problem with white immigrants. Thing is, I think it's true that racism isn't close to being the thing driving the political realignment since he came on the scene, but that doesn't mean it's false that he's racist. Both things can be true.

[valval]

> He has treated every woman in his life like trash

This is a lie.

> he is pretty explicit about which kinds of immigrants he doesn't like; the ones from south of the border.

This is a lie.

We're tired of your lies. Do you not get it? When will you get it?

[consteval]

Could you articulate exactly how these are lies?

I've heard Trump say many, many vile things about women. Certainly, almost everything Trump has said in the context of women cannot be repeated in a professional environment. If I talk like Trump at work, I am liable to get fired. And this doesn't even touch on him being convicted of rape by a jury of his peers.

He's also said vile things about immigrants and even naturalized American citizens. He's peddled propaganda about Obama not being a true American, undoubtedly on account of his skin color. He's questioned Kamala's blackness in very offensive ways, too. Not only does he speak poorly about immigrants, he treats black and Latino Americans like garbage. Sometimes his campaign outright calls them garbage.

After a certain point, Trump's misogyny and racism is undeniable. When people do deny it, I either favorably think they are ignorant to all he has said or their brains are detaching from reality. I would hope it's the former, in which case that no longer works because I've just informed you. If it is the latter, I recommend therapy to begin to address the delusions you have formed.

[valval]

> Could you articulate exactly how these are lies?

Sure. The "every woman in his life" part is a stupid statement to make. It's a complete suicide for one's credibility.

The comments about him not liking immigrants from south of the border (Mexicans? South Americans? Anyone who comes in through the southern border?) are also made up. He doesn't like illegal immigrants and is very explicit about that -- who would like criminals after all. None of it has to do with ethnicity and there's no evidence you can show me to claim otherwise, since it doesn't exist.

> I've heard Trump say many, many vile things about women

Okay, although not really relevant to what I responded to. Besides, without having examples of what you're referring to, I can only say that "vile" is subjective, and saying "vile" things is different from doing vile things. We've said all kinds of "vile" things about women in our friend groups, just like the women have said "vile" things about me and my buddies in their friend groups. This is normal, and if you claim to be above all that -- cool. Find friends who align more with your values, but don't think for a second you're better than me and mine. That will be decided by our actions and accomplishments.

> Certainly, almost everything Trump has said in the context of women cannot be repeated in a professional environment.

Indefensible position, no idea why you'd choose these words. If you said "some of the things" instead of "almost everything", you might have a case. Even then, what does it matter? In professional environments, you know what you can or can't say. In other environments, it's the same.

> And this doesn't even touch on him being convicted of rape by a jury of his peers.

Word against word about an event hypothetically happening in the 90s. There was no evidence, and this is lawfare. I know you haven't read the court documents, but you could check them out.

> A bunch of nonsensical accusations without direct quotes or context to anything

You could try providing some context on what you're talking about. A barrage of mindless accusations doesn't count for much, no matter the number. It just tells me you're repeating someone else's words.

[consteval]

I'm not required to, and will not be giving, any examples on the vile things Trump has said about women or minorities because you already know them. You're doing that fun thing conservatives do where they play stupid. You should be careful, if you play stupid long enough people might just think you're stupid.

> He doesn't like illegal immigrants and is very explicit about that -- who would like criminals after all

I said it elsewhere but I'll say it again - this is just plausible deniability.

Similarly, Hitler never hated Jewish people. He hated greedy business owners. After all, who doesn't hate the greedy?

Trump has explicitly stated he plans to remove protections for recent immigrants who are here LEGALLY and he plans to undo naturalized citizenship. You cannot claim he only hates "illegal" immigrants.

Regardless, that doesn't even touch on the incredibly racist comments he's made about Obama and Kamala. His issue is anyone vaguely brown and not a man, which is typical for a republican.

I'm not gonna hand hold through your delusions. Point blank, what you're writing is at odds with reality. I would respect conservatives much more if they weren't such cowards, but they typically are. These days, the cowardice and shame of conservatives has gotten so severe I have to ask leftist about Trump's policies. Seriously, conservatives won't even utter the policies they support because of the supreme shame they feel.

You can either admit Trump has said, often, many racist, sexist, transphobic, and otherwise offensive things, or you can deny it, in which case Trump is still the same person and now you're also a liar. So you can only hurt your position and, in fact, republican ideology as a whole by doing so. A lot of people already believe you to be liars - certainly, you shouldn't try so hard to prove them right.

[sanderjd]

Ok.