[TheHypnotist]

The "abortion" issue is very poor marketing and I don't understand why this has never been corrected. It's not about unwanted children, it's more about the 1/5 chance a woman has of miscarrying and what happens after (along with the array of other pregnancy related issues).

[throwaway234423]

The issue is that the extremists on both sides get the microphone and muddle the debate as much as possible.

[bluGill]

Right, you can't actually talk about any real compromise position. All anyone hears are the two extreme options. People who talk about miscarriage, mother's life in danger, and so on are trying to convince you that because those exist all abortion should be legal. Anyone who is against abortion sees right through that. If anyone was serious about the compromise position where those types of things are allowed but otherwise abortion was illegal they might be able to get many against abortion on their side - except that they won't because give an inch and they take a mile is reality and everyone "knows" if you compromise at all they will just be back against next year asking for more.

[mrguyorama]

Conservatives think that's just a lie. They openly reject the harms that are actively happening right now in Texas.

How do you win an election when your opponent is apparently not bound by reality? Maybe Harris should have just promised puppies and rainbows and candy.

[itsoktocry]

>Maybe Harris should have just promised puppies and rainbows and candy.

She did, and no one fell for it.

Consider that, just maybe, you're the one not bound by reality.

[bluGill]

An liberals are not honest about caring. They are arguing because of a few bad cases all abortion should be legal, instead of using this as a reasonable compromise. So long as those are the two choices a lot less humans die if all abortion is banned even if some mothers die as well. (Do not say a fetus isn't a human - that might work for you but it doesn't apply to anyone against abortion and you just look like an idiot for not recognizing what they see as an obvious fact and we get nowhere).

If you want to support a compromise: most of what you need to do is shut up everyone who will only accept their extreme position.

[TheHypnotist]

Stop trying to introduce nuance to a topic where there is none. It should be entirely left up to the woman and her doctor.

[bluGill]

And you have just ensured this fight will continue.

[TheHypnotist]

I wouldn't compromise on my bodily autonomy, neither should women. It's simple. You making it more complicated is what ensures this fight will continue.

[bluGill]

What we have here is a conflict of values. That you think it is simple is insulting the values of others. Most people against abortion value females right to body autonomy: they value the right to not be murdered more.

[itsoktocry]

Except if it's a COVID vaccination.

[TheHypnotist]

That's very much a false equivalency as pregnancy and miscarriage is not contagious.

[zer8k]

If they sold it as a "universal right to basic healthcare" it would be more palatable to most people.

Fact of the matter is most abortions are elective. It is, in fact, about unwanted children. It is however a shame actual health risks are lumped in - mostly due to marketing.