[em-bee]

I'm not legally nor morally obliged to provide them shelter

i beg to differ. morally we absolutely are obliged to give them shelter.

When there are no locals struggling to afford shelter, then we can talk about helping strangers from other places

most of the germans who are homeless failed to take advantage of available support to get it, not because they couldn't afford it. otherwise if they didn't get support then the problem is a failure in the bureaucracy, not a lack of available space or resources. it is a fallacy to think that refusing help to refugees would improve the situation for locals. if it was that simple we could have solved those problems a long time ago.

this is the kind of rhetoric that stirs up xenophobia and plays into the hands of the kind of politicians that according to your last paragraph you also don't want to see elected.

[Rinzler89]

>morally we absolutely are obliged to give them shelter.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

>most of the germans who are homeless failed to take advantage of available support to get it

What if the system is poorly designed getting people slipping through the nets? I don't agree being so dismissive and throwing all the blame onto them.

> it is a fallacy to think that refusing help to refugees would improve the situation for locals

It's not a fallacy, it's basic economics.

>this is the kind of rhetoric that stirs up xenophobia and plays into the hands of the kind of politicians that according to your last paragraph you also don't want to see elected.

Then maybe the politicians should fucking listen for once and actually do what the people want them to do instead of doing something else and being shocked people don't like it.

[em-bee]

What if the system is poorly designed getting people slipping through the nets? I don't agree being so dismissive and throwing all the blame onto them.

i am not, see my next sentence: "otherwise if they didn't get support then the problem is a failure in the bureaucracy, not a lack of available space or resources."

the point is, what ever the reason for being homeless, it is not because refugees took away resources.

do what the people want them to do instead of doing something else and being shocked people don't like it

but that doesn't work if the people are being misled about the cause of the problems they are facing.

[Rinzler89]

>but that doesn't work if the people are being misled about the cause of the problems they are facing.

Who says people are being mislead? You? Isn't it how democracy should work? If Mainstream politicians refuse to listen to the people why are they surprised when they elect an autocrat who promises to do what the others don't want to listen to?

[em-bee]

people are being misled by the claim that refugees and other immigrants are the cause for their problems. and that stopping refugees and immigrants and sending them back will improve our lives. it won't.

our problems are caused by greed, selfishness and ignorance. we need to learn to care for others if we want to solve our problems. the homeless aren't being helped by sending refugees away. if we want to eliminate homelessness we need to actually investigate and address the causes that make them homeless. we need to treat them with dignity. the same goes for unemployment. "creating more jobs" isn't enough.

education is really the only way out. in our country and anywhere else. education will improve peoples lives and it will stop wars and conflict. and it will help us learn how to solve our problems.