[aurareturn]

The fact that people actually ask this question, shows how people in the west (assuming you are from there) only see China through mainstream media. No offense to you in particular.

In China, if you walk around the street in any city, you can see many American brands such as McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks, Microsoft, Apple. American logos are proudly displayed. If you walk into a cafe, you will more often than not, hear American music. Chinese cinemas will show Hollywood movies. They have statues of Kobe Bryant and when the NBA plays there, they get hundreds of thousands of fans. This is all in 2024, by the way.

Meanwhile, in America, everything Chinese will inevitably get the "China bad" treatment. Chinese companies doing business in America have to hide the fact that they're Chinese. Google "Is company..." and often the top autocomplete results includes something like "Is x company Chinese?".

The level of propaganda is not nearly the same on both sides.

Go to China and see for yourself. I just came back from Shenzhen. Absolutely stunning modern city that feels like it's 5 years ahead of anywhere I've been to. It's extremely safe for foreigners. Ridiculously safe actually. By my estimation, 80% of the cars on the road are EVs. Super clean air, cleaner than most American cities nowadays. You never hear about this stuff in western mainstream media.

[Manuel_D]

75% of Chinese report negative views of the US: https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/how-do-chinese-p...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-American_sentiment_in_m...

Apparently 60% responded that the killing of Bin Laden was a bad thing because he was an anti-american warrior.

[aurareturn]

>75% of Chinese report negative views of the US

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the type of negative view and the degree.

[pedroma]

I was under the impression there was a large demographic of Chinese who would buy Huawei phones over iPhones because they were Chinese and not American, despite the chip being being a few generations behind an iPhone.

Meaning, there are people in China who are nationalistic, as there are in America. And these have enough of a Chinese over American view they would purchase an arguably worse product for their views.

As for cultural exports, I think America just dominates the world in that regard. If you want to use that as a comparison China would have to have equivalent cultural exports to be a fair point. And as far as I know most people have no qualms with eating Panda Express, PF Changs, or small Chinese takeouts, which is a Chinese cultural export.

>Super clean air, cleaner than most American cities nowadays.

I'm skeptical of that. I'd concede if you provided data but a quick Google search for AQI right now says the worst US city NYC is 54 AQI and Shenzhen is 56. Los Angeles is 33, SF is 19. (source IQAir)

[aurareturn]

  Meaning, there are people in China who are nationalistic, as there are in America. And these have enough of a Chinese over American view they would purchase an arguably worse product for their views.

Of course there are nationalists in China. I didn't argue against that.

  As for cultural exports, I think America just dominates the world in that regard. If you want to use that as a comparison China would have to have equivalent cultural exports to be a fair point. And as far as I know most people have no qualms with eating Panda Express, PF Changs, or small Chinese takeouts, which is a Chinese cultural export.

I don't think a few Americanized Chinese restaurants with American owners compare to my examples?

The cultural export power of America is precisely one of the main reasons why I sense that the level of anti-American sentiment in China is not nearly as bad as the anti-China sentiment in the US.

  I'm skeptical of that. I'd concede if you provided data but a quick Google search for AQI right now says the worst US city NYC is 54 AQI and Shenzhen is 56. Los Angeles is 33, SF is 19. (source IQAir)

The data is just me walking on any street in Shenzhen and almost never smelling any gasoline or feel the heat from cars.

[pedroma]

>The data is just me walking on any street in Shenzhen and almost never smelling any gasoline or feel the heat from cars.

If we're basing our arguments on opinions then I'm not sure there's any value in this discussion for me.

[aurareturn]

Does AQI capture the experience of walking around the street?

[onlypassingthru]

>It's extremely safe for foreigners.

I wonder if the parents of the Japanese boy stabbed on the way to school last month would agree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Shenzhen_stabbing

[janalsncm]

That was notable because of how unusual it was. Chinese cities are extremely safe, generally speaking.

In the West we have a general consensus that any encroachment on freedom in the name of safety isn’t worth the trade. People even go so far as to claim that those who would choose safety don’t deserve it, which I find completely uncalled for and unnecessarily strident. A lot of Asian countries (China, Japan, Singapore) have no such problem, and view the US as a generally unsafe country.

[themaninthedark]

What do you mean by "everything Chinese will inevitably get the "China bad" treatment."

China is either the 2nd or 3rd largest trading partner of the US. A large amount of our finished consumer good come from there as well are raw industrial inputs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_pa... https://usafacts.org/articles/who-are-the-uss-top-trade-part...

[aurareturn]

China mostly exports goods lower on the value chain. When China tries to move up in the value chain such as exporting whole cars, phones, networking gear, software, that's where the "China bad" becomes much more of a problem for Chinese companies.

[themaninthedark]

I have seen concerns about Chinese software and network gear along the lines of "if this is compromised we would loose everything", which is not a bad position from a security standpoint.

Phones: There was a very large acceptance of OnePlus and other Chinese phones in the US.

Cars: China has just recently started to try and export cars to the US and it looks like the US is putting up trade barriers to prevent that. There are several factors in this, i.e. domestic worker protection.

The only one that may be considered "China Bad" is network gear and software, since the concern is the state apparatus compromising the product being received.

For all other's I have not seen a daemonization of China or Chinese people.

[Jack000]

None of the things you listed mean much when it comes to ethno-nationalism. There are a lot of Chinese that love American brands but still hate the US for nationalist reasons.

Among my relatives I would say all are anti-US. About 5-6 of them vehemently so and want the war to start immediately.

I grew up in China and if you think there’s less propaganda in China compared to the US I don’t know what to tell you.

[janalsncm]

I agree with most of what you said (especially the safety part). But in my experience anti-US sentiment is a part of anti-outsider skepticism more broadly. And there’s a justifiable history to it, with a century of humiliation and occupation that the US was a part of (although less than Japan/UK).

Basically they see anti-China sanctions as a continuation of foreign bullying.