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by GistNoesis 592 days ago
These kinds of article push me over the edge.

They introduce just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be useful in order to sell you a book and course which will be more of the same bad quality content.

In the article they define the edge as the transition zone between the comfort zone and the danger zone.

And they more or less directly tell you to push it and stretch it with care.

The proper underlying concept is risk management.

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If you follow the advices of these kind of articles, you typically see an initial success, followed by occasional bigger successes, followed by occasional crashes, followed by unrecoverable crashes.

What is happening is that the underlying problem that you are trying to optimize initially benefits from expanding your comfort zone. People usually are too "safe" to begin with. That's called prudence, it's a good thing that has been hardwire by evolution.

But then when you work to push your frontier zone, you work in a zone where pulling and pushing lever have maximum sensitivity, it's good and allow you to make some quick progress. You learn the good moves which rock is slippery to your foot or not, but slipping is not to important because you are still working inside the underlying safe operating zone.

But now you are getting used to learning with immediate feedback. And if you make this the thing you optimize for, you will slowly drift toward the more danger and less reward zone.

You master pushing and pulling the levers in front of you but as you already know how they work, you don't learn anything new. So you push them more and more because you get bored, and then you get some exciting new phenomenon, the car can drift when you go over 90 in the turn of the speed limit 50 zone. So you're happy you've got something new to master. You master it, and now you drift anywhere you go Tokyo drift style.

But you never learned that the adherence of the car depends on whether it has rained the previous day because the oil and dust in the asphalt get lifted and redeposited on the road. So you are surprised when your car spin around.

You got in an accident but made it OK, but now you've got to do some door dashing to finance the new car. So you are more tired, and more pressed by time and drive accordingly. So what does little Timmy in the back learn ?

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Proper risk management is looking for the levers you can push, expanding them in a safe and boring way. It's concept like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficient_frontier in portfolio management instead of YOLOing. It's the concept of bankroll management, and management of variance, aggression window style, in things like poker.

But the game of life is not an individual one but a collective one. And people playing an aggressive style are forcing you to play a more loose game. And even more worse than a loose game is a positive expectation game turned negative expectation game because of that. Because the game is not zero sum, in poker there is the rake, but in life many situations are win win, but can be turned lose lose by greediness.

The rise is slow and the fall is fast and catastrophic, see the concept of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_failure in complex systems that result by taking a myopic approach to optimizing your life.

2 comments

It feels to me like you are comparing/applying hard science knowledge and techniques to psychologic knowledge and techniques, which is fine.

However my personal experience is that it mostly doesn't work out like that. Real human interactions with others and with things is so complex that it can't reliably be modeled that way. In reality it is more a combination of gut feeling and rational overthought and afterthought, in a never ending feedback loop.

The more uncertainty you have in your model of the world, because it is so complex, the more conservative you should be.

I like how https://www.youtube.com/@TechIngredients approach complex problems and risks in a safe way.

Human interaction normal operating mode shouldn't be with one pushing and pulling your buttons to make you react. That's quite the definition of emotional manipulation, and not the basis of sane relations.

If you are operating on the edge on purpose, you are probably creating a toxic workplace for those around you.

> If you follow the advices of these kind of articles, you typically see an initial success, followed by occasional bigger successes, followed by occasional crashes, followed by unrecoverable crashes.

Aren't such articles only meant as food for thought? I find it difficult to imagine anyone actually driving their lives on it. Is that even possible for any kind of media, let alone such short articles?

Indeed, it gives ideas and food for thought. No psychological advice or life hacks can be simply or rigorously be followed as is.
Reader discretion is advised :)

The advice given by the current article is just after the "followed by occasional crashes" state of the state graph : The author has already noticed that the "edge" is context dependent and still recommends winging it (he also mention previous personal problems with substance abuse so we are definitely in the "here be dragons" territory).

The author seems to be in the wreck everyone around you and then repair it business.

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There are various culture on the internet, notably pushed by influencers and other self proclaimed gurus, that often push it further that reasonable, often amplified by filter bubbles and echo chamber that algorithm like to recommend.

It's typically called Bro-Science in the fitness domain. This empirical science has the benefit of the wisdom of the crowd.

Typically in running or fitness, one follow a training program to make some gains. But the danger is often over-training, or bad posture resulting in an injury. Learning unguided is often the cause of injury.

Typically what happens is your mental model you are basing your training program on is missing some important levers : For example you didn't consider some cumulative nutrient deficiency or adaptation that occur when not respecting cycles by having rest weeks. But you push yourself because you don't see a reason why you shouldn't push yourself and then the injury occur.

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Real science here would recommend taking a step back, and look for the missing lever instead of random pushing the levers in front of you.

You should be humble and start with the hypothesis that there is some additional unknown risk you aren't aware of. Reasonable progress isn't made working on the frontier trying to push it forward, but rather by exploring more diversity while staying comfortably in the comfort zone in order to be able to handle the occasional rough patches that natural variance will throw at you.

The science behind if you want to learn more is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration-exploitation_dilem... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit (Thomson sampling and no regret sampling). It typically consist of building an inner representation of the world (aka a world model) and acting on it conservatively. You may also look into martingale stopping time if you are inclined in probability theory.