[ezxs]

a lot of debate here but one thing is not a debate: both parties want to portray the other one as a devil, in truth the actually both are going to be OK. We had Trump for 4 years, we basically had Harris for 4 years. We are not China or Venezuela. Everyone relax and figure out how to focus on similarities rather than difference. One Love!

[ericmcer]

Pretty low chance of that happening haha. The one similarity I see between both parties is they both have a ton of money in the stock market and so do the corporations that lobby them. So my political stance is to keep following their investments because they have both shown a willingness to do backflips to keep everything moving up.

[whimsicalism]

low chance of what happening? us being okay/still living in a democracy 4 years from now?

i would take the other side of that bet - ie. i believe that we will still be in a democracy 4 years from now.

[GiorgioG]

More like, they're both equally shitty for the average person. We should focus on how little they've done collectively for the people. If people would just stop registering as one or the other they might be a little more objective about how shit they both are.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

You sound like my son.

Who didn't have much of an answer when I asked him who it was that enacted Medicaid, which paid for the major surgery his son needed when he was born that the parents could not possibly have paid for. He also didn't have much of an answer when I asked him who constantly wants to nibble away at Medicaid, as a testimony to their fundamental opposition to such a "safety net".

The Democrats have lots and lots of problems, including deference to the rich and corporations. But for all their failings, they have consistently attempted to make the lives of regular people a little bit better and sometimes even succeeded.

[GiorgioG]

The problem is we are not holding both parties accountable for not doing their jobs. They have stopped working together. That is a total failure. They all should be fired by all objective measure of doing your fucking job. Those of us who share some ideals with both parties have nowhere to turn. Having said that I can’t in good conscience vote for republicans this cycle. The democrats have finally seen the light and stopped highlighting some of their more polarizing agenda items, while the republicans just continue to double down on the extremism.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

Parties don't have jobs in government. Elected representatives do. I don't believe that working together is necessarily a part of the job, though it can be productive and even nice when they do.

If you have nowhere to turn, start a new party, instead of imagining that the role of the existing parties is to cater to your particular political outlook. And yes, that won't work, so first work to change the electoral system.

[GiorgioG]

Herein lies the problem, I want single payer healthcare, I don’t think guns are a problem on their own. I think we should have safety nets, but they shouldn’t be long term handouts. Both parties spend like drunken sailors whether it’s on social programs or the military. Our two party system is fucked.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

Sure, our two party system is fucked.

That doesn't imply that both parties are fucked, nor that even if they are both fucked, that they are both fucked in the same way.

If you want a different electoral system (great idea!), argue for that rather than this silly both-sides nonsense.

[lukev]

Except for the 20 million people Trump says he's going to deport. No love for them.