[GiorgioG]

More like, they're both equally shitty for the average person. We should focus on how little they've done collectively for the people. If people would just stop registering as one or the other they might be a little more objective about how shit they both are.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

You sound like my son.

Who didn't have much of an answer when I asked him who it was that enacted Medicaid, which paid for the major surgery his son needed when he was born that the parents could not possibly have paid for. He also didn't have much of an answer when I asked him who constantly wants to nibble away at Medicaid, as a testimony to their fundamental opposition to such a "safety net".

The Democrats have lots and lots of problems, including deference to the rich and corporations. But for all their failings, they have consistently attempted to make the lives of regular people a little bit better and sometimes even succeeded.

[GiorgioG]

The problem is we are not holding both parties accountable for not doing their jobs. They have stopped working together. That is a total failure. They all should be fired by all objective measure of doing your fucking job. Those of us who share some ideals with both parties have nowhere to turn. Having said that I can’t in good conscience vote for republicans this cycle. The democrats have finally seen the light and stopped highlighting some of their more polarizing agenda items, while the republicans just continue to double down on the extremism.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

Parties don't have jobs in government. Elected representatives do. I don't believe that working together is necessarily a part of the job, though it can be productive and even nice when they do.

If you have nowhere to turn, start a new party, instead of imagining that the role of the existing parties is to cater to your particular political outlook. And yes, that won't work, so first work to change the electoral system.

[GiorgioG]

Herein lies the problem, I want single payer healthcare, I don’t think guns are a problem on their own. I think we should have safety nets, but they shouldn’t be long term handouts. Both parties spend like drunken sailors whether it’s on social programs or the military. Our two party system is fucked.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

Sure, our two party system is fucked.

That doesn't imply that both parties are fucked, nor that even if they are both fucked, that they are both fucked in the same way.

If you want a different electoral system (great idea!), argue for that rather than this silly both-sides nonsense.