[SoftTalker]

All cars today are being made to squeeze maximum profit. The plastics will last maybe 10 years and the electronics will be NLA soon after the warranty expires. If your main computer dies the car is scrap. There is no serious effort to make new cars repariable or maintainable other than for very routine things like brakes. Cars are becoming more and more disposable items, by design.

[shiroiushi]

I guess you're not old enough to remember how horrible the interiors (both plastics and upholstery) in 1970s and 1980s cars were, nor how often they broke down.

[SoftTalker]

I remember. Yeah they weren't great for the most part, especially for US manufacturers.

The thing is though, those '70s and '80s cars were simple. They could be repaired. And any workshop could do it, you didn't have to rely on the dealership. With not much more than a basic set of wrenches you could repair many things yourself if you wanted to. That's not the same today. Many systems are effectively unrepairable, they are not designed to be repairable. Especially on EVs. Is there any EV that has been designed for easy battery replacement? Once these cars are out of warranty, any major problems will scrap the car.

[shiroiushi]

>That's not the same today.

Yes, it is. My last car was a 2015 model that lasted until 2019, so I don't think my information is out-of-date, but it was a Mazda and was very easy to repair (which pretty much never happened anyway aside from regular maintenance). Any my cars before that were easy too.

>Many systems are effectively unrepairable, they are not designed to be repairable.

Citation needed. People like you always make claims like this, but I think they're all myths. I've never seen any evidence of this myself. Perhaps it's because I didn't have American cars, and only Japanese ones? I don't know.

>Especially on EVs.

This is a different issue, and I can't speak to it as I've never had one. The vast majority of cars were and still are ICE cars, and your claim is about all cars.

>those '70s and '80s cars were simple

You obviously never looked under the hood of a 1980s car, with its maze of vacuum tubing.

[SoftTalker]

I presume you mean you sold it on in 2019 and not that your 2015 car lasted 4 years, as that would not be an example I'd hold up for the quality of today's cars.

I'm not surprised that a 2015 Mazda is a decent car. Mazda make good cars. But I'm speaking of cars made today. 2015 was almost 10 years ago. Cars have only gotten more complicated and less repairable since then.

Yeah wires and vacuum hoses look messy. But you can replace a vacuum hose by cutting a new piece to length with a pair of scissors. Good luck in a modern car when that same function is a digital signal in a circuit board.

[shiroiushi]

>Cars have only gotten more complicated and less repairable since then.

Again, citation needed. I simply do not believe you. Outside of EV powertrains, car design has not changed much in 10 years.

[shiroiushi]

Digital signals on circuit boards don't just "go bad" from old age. Vacuum hoses develop leaks all the time when the rubber gets old.